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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Jeff Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jwilson@io.com">jwilson@io.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">James Wynn wrote:<br>
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It never occurred to me to read this as a river valley, probably because it would make no sense that way. Any depression near a steep precipice would look like a valley from the other side of Whorl. I have always understood &quot;run parallel&quot; to mean &quot;on a plane that is in congruence with the line Long Sun&quot; such that it was perpendicular to the light coming from the Long Sun...which is the only way there could be shadows.<br>

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Planes and lines can&#39;t be congruent, by the definition of congruence.<br><font color="#888888">
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