<div>Note that Baltar + Anders = Baldanders.</div>
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<div>Brilliant.<br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Son of Witz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">That's how I read that passage too.<br><br>but guys, I wasn't really trying to spark the debate.<br>
I suppose it can't be helped from such a provocative comment though. sorry.<br><br>RE: BSG,<br>I've been wondering about that. I've been wondering if Gaius isn't being set up as some dubious sort of Christlike messiah. I've only watched 4 eps of season 4 though. And I hope that suspicion is wrong. But he prayed, and that kid was healed, and he's got some sort of "chosen one" charm about him.<br>
damn, I gotta catch up before friday. hope netflix comes in time.<br>PLEASE NO BSG SPOILERS IN THIS THREAD.<br><br>~witz<br>
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>Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs<br>><br></div>>Was that from before or after TUotNS?<br>><br>>Because certain passages during a healing scene make it pretty clear that Severian (or a part of Severian's consciousness) observes himself as something huge squeezing itself through tiny human senses. That's a god talking.<br>
><br>>It may leave room for temporary goddish intervention, but Severian himself observes this as though it is he who is the god, not as though someone else is the god.<br>><br>>Perhaps Wolfe rethought it.<br>
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<div class="Ih2E3d">><br>>Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this? The emphasis is my<br>>own.<br>><br>>"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells Severian<br>>that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such<br>
>Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian is<br>>a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he simply<br>>for this universe?<br>><br>>*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't<br>
>mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to<br>>that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ really<br>>is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather than a<br>
>Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom<br>>humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with the<br>>actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are saved<br>
>by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy Him.<br>>I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was<br>>tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was tempted<br>
>to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest of<br>>us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."<br>><br>><br>><br></div>>---<br>>avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.<br>
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