<div>Somewhat OT, but you'll enjoy it.</div>
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<div>In Battlestar Galactica, insofar as there is a Christ-figure, it's Starbuck.</div>
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<div>Also, Starbuck and Severian have the same number of letters and same initial letter. <br><br></div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Son of Witz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I hadn't read that.<br>but my point stands from his first line.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">"In so far as there is a Christ figure, it is Severian"<br></div>I'm talking about symbolic metaphor, or loose analogy, not mundane plot.<br>the same could be said for the Long Sun.<br>In so far as there is a Christ figure, it is Silk.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>>-----Original Message-----<br>>From: John Watkins [mailto:<a href="mailto:john.watkins04@gmail.com">john.watkins04@gmail.com</a>]<br></div>
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<div class="Wj3C7c">>Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:31 AM<br>>To: 'The Urth Mailing List'<br>>Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs<br>><br>>Why is the Jordan interview not the last word on this? The emphasis is my<br>
>own.<br>><br>>"*JJ:* The holy slaves [Heirodules], Famulimus or one of them tells Severian<br>>that he is the center of his race, the savior of his race. That is such<br>>Christlike language you can see why interpreters would say, Well Severian is<br>
>a Christ figure. But is there a Christ figure in the book, or is he simply<br>>for this universe?<br>><br>>*GW:* In so far as there is a Christ figure it is Severian. That doesn't<br>>mean he has to be identified with Christ. He is in a position similar to<br>
>that of Christ. *But really it is a different position because Christ really<br>>is both God and man. Severian is not*. Severian is a Christian rather than a<br>>Christ. But he has been taken as the representative of humanity by whom<br>
>humanity is to be judged. This I think is what has happened perhaps with the<br>>actual human Jesus. He is or was as fully human as you or I and we are saved<br>>by Him. By the fact that he passed. That the corruption did not destroy Him.<br>
>I think that St. Paul is absolutely correct when he says that Jesus was<br>>tempted in all the ways that we are tempted. I think that Jesus was tempted<br>>to commit murder or any other sin that you want to name just as the rest of<br>
>us are. And the difference is that He did not sin."<br>><br>>On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Son of Witz <<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>>wrote:<br>><br>
>> I knew both Watkins and Brewer couldn't leave that one. :D<br>>><br>>> we all are.<br>>> and we all must overcome our Typhons.<br>>> ~witz<br>>><br>>> >-----Original Message-----<br>
>> >From: John Watkins [mailto:<a href="mailto:john.watkins04@gmail.com">john.watkins04@gmail.com</a>]<br>>> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:20 AM<br>>> >To: 'The Urth Mailing List'<br>
>> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs<br>>> ><br>>> >On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Son of Witz <<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a><br>>> >wrote:<br>
>> ><br>>> >> thanks again for that Dave.<br>>> >><br>>> >> this one strikes me as odd:<br>>> >> 12. Who was Blood's father? -- Patera Pike. [DRL: This was a complete<br>
>> >> surprise all round, by the way.]<br>>> >> I thought that was pretty clear in the book, much more clear than Silk<br>>> >> being an engineered embryo.<br>>> >><br>>> >> but I'd like to point out #15 to all the people here who contest the<br>
>> idea<br>>> >> that Severian is an instantiation of Christ.<br>>> >><br>>> >> 15. Is the Outsider a form of Severian? -- No. Severian is a form of the<br>>> >> Outsider.<br>
>> >><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> >As, by a certain logic, is everyone.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> >><br>>> >> ~witz<br>>> >><br>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----<br>>> >> >From: Dave Tallman [mailto:<a href="mailto:davetallman@msn.com">davetallman@msn.com</a>]<br>>> >> >Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:36 AM<br>
>> >> >To: <a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net">urth@lists.urth.net</a><br>>> >> >Subject: Re: (urth) Long Sun Laughs<br>>> >> ><br>>> >> >Gene Wolfe answered several questions related to Quetzal's motivations<br>
>> in<br>>> >> a<br>>> >> >Q&A session recorded here:<br>>> <a href="http://www.ansible.co.uk/cc/cc77.html/quetxal" target="_blank">http://www.ansible.co.uk/cc/cc77.html/quetxal</a><br>
>> >> ><br>>> >> >Check out answers 7, 23, and 24. He said that Quetzal wanted a<br>>> "thriving<br>>> >> >human colony on Green" (which almost seems like a contradiction in<br>
>> terms<br>>> >> to<br>>> >> >me).<br>>> >> ><br>>> >><br>>> >><br>>> >> _______________________________________________<br>>> >> Urth Mailing List<br>
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