<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">,<div>I had the same thought about striking off heads, then checked the book. Severian interprets Baldanders this way.</div><div>but as Paul points out Severian is often pretty off base. I think Wolfe does this as misdirection. we get a sort of decent 'explanation' for one of the four statements, but if he's referring to his headsman role, "You--strike off." would end with a question mark. no?</div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 29, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Paul B wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">I haven't kept track or anything, but I'd be willing to entertain the notion that Severian is wrong more than half of the time in his interpretations of events. <br>The issue of Baldanders' inconsistent behavior could also be explained (as I explained it to myself) by "incredible hulk" syndrome. When he gets upset (as when he charged the audience or fought Severian) he flies into a rage, but is analytical otherwise.<br> <br>Paul<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Bruce Hayles <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brucehayles@gmail.com">brucehayles@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Craig, that was exactly my understanding of it too. I don't have the book with me, but I remember Severian saying something that indicates that that is also his interpretation.<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br> <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Craig Brewer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cnbrewer@yahoo.com" target="_blank">cnbrewer@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div> Not sure about the rest, but I assume that "You -- strike off" has to do with Severian "striking off" peoples' heads.<br> </div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Matt Teel <<a href="mailto:adeodatus43@yahoo.com" target="_blank">adeodatus43@yahoo.com</a>><div> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> The Urth Mailing List <<a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net" target="_blank">urth@lists.urth.net</a>><br></div><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, December 29, 2008 1:12:06 PM<div> <div></div><div><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders<br></div></div></font><div><div></div><div><br> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font-family: inherit; font-style: inherit; font-variant: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-adjust: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign="top"> <div>Hm, now that is interesting, Witz. Maybe if we combine this with Bruce's observation that Baldanders' hormones may be playing with his personality, and Dave's observation that he's only pretending to be asleep and is actually awake, we may get at the root of this enigmatic little scene.</div> <div> </div> <div>Matt <br><br>--- On <b>Mon, 12/29/08, Son of Witz <i><<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">From: Son of Witz <<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org" target="_blank">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: (urth) Sleeping Baldanders<br> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <<a href="mailto:urth@lists.urth.net" target="_blank">urth@lists.urth.net</a>><br>Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 5:27 PM<br><br><pre>On Dec 29, 2008, at 5:39 AM, <a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org" target="_blank">brunians@brunians.org</a> wrote:<br>
<br>>> I'm wondering about the short section in Chapter XV<br>("Baldanders"), in<br>>> which Baldanders seems to be talking in his sleep. Severian is half<br>awake<br>>> and responding to what he thinks Baldanders is saying. Any thoughts<br>
on<br>>> what's really going on there?<br>>> <br>>> Baldanders says four things: (1) Never." (2)<br>"Baldanders." (3)<br>>> "You--strike off." (4) "Tomorrow, then."<br>
>> <br>>> The scene is obviously meant to accomplish something, but I can't<br>figure<br>>> out what. Severian's answers
simply recap things that have<br>already been<br>>> established, but I can't believe Wolfe just wanted to make sure we<br>knew<br>>> that Severian had been tossed out of the guild and is headed toward<br>
Thrax,<br>>> or whatever. So, any ideas?<br>> <br>> He wanted to make sure we knew that Baldanders knew.<br><br><br>Knew that he was the New Sun to be?<br><br>something like<br>(you, the New Sun) "Never"<br>
(the New Sun will be ) "Baldanders"<br>"You--strike off." (Get the hell out of here)<br>"Tomorrow, then." (we will dispute this another day)<br><br><br>something like that?<br><br>~witz<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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