I think a clue here is in the Cock and the Angel story. That has always seemed a blatant metaphor for the Hierogrammates (angel), Hierodules (eagle) and the Cock (Humanity). <br><br>"The eagle looked at the angel when her heard what the cock said, and the angel looked at the eagle. 'The Pancreator is infinitely far from us,' the angel said. 'And thus infinitely far from me, though I fly so much higher than you. I guess at his desires-no one can do otherwise."<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Son of Witz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org">sonofwitz@butcherbaker.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
so do any of you actually read this as Severian being merely a dupe and that none of the transcendental themes have their source or resolution in God?<br>
and if so, why? Is it that the manipulations of the post-humans cannot some how have a higher mandate beyond them?<br>
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Of course it's interesting to speculate on all sorts of subtexts here, I'm just wondering if any of you have settled on this sort of interpretation.<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">><a href="mailto:brunians@brunians.org">brunians@brunians.org</a> wrote:<br>
>>> Severian is<br>
>>> both a fraud and a conciliator, and this is something that I can find only<br>
>>> in Wolfe. A false Christ can still get the job done by pretending to be<br>
>>> what he wants the people to believe he is.<br>
>><br>
>> Roger Zelazny did a similar thing, most excellently, with The Buddha in<br>
>> "Lord Of Light".<br>
><br>
>There's also a 1992 Steve Martin movie _Leap of Faith_ where a fake<br>
>faith healer conman becomes so persuasive that when he leads the marks<br>
>in prayer, unplanned non-fake miracles begin to occur.<br>
><br>
>--<br>
>Jeff Wilson - <a href="mailto:jwilson@io.com">jwilson@io.com</a><br>
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