This whole discussion is of course, completely problematic. I mean, IF we're tying up correlations here, Christ couldn't have existed in Sev's or Urth's world, as the second coming never came at all. Unless it was referring to some enormously distant event millions (or hundreds of thousands depending on your timeline preference) of years distant from Christ's first incarnation. So, to me, that rules out the Sev is another Christ in Earths world (as Christ as we know him didn't exist in Sevs world, unless the Second coming was a lie).<br>
<br>Wait, this is even slipperyer. So, if Sev can be Christlike because he has correlations to Christ's story (both as Sev and as Concilliator), can a historic Christ exist in his Urth's timeline? Well, the Hut in the Village seems to indicate that this is the case (although in reading from that bible, Moses is spoken to by they Compasionating...is that a translation of an existing nomenclature for the Judicac god?). So, if Christ or a real Christ analog DOES exist in the past of Urth, then 1) the second coming has never come, and is either in Sev's future, or is wrapped up in him in some way, or 2) was never a part of this version of Christ's narrative or 3) was it is only meant to be allegorical correlation, and thus could be interpretted a number of ways.<br>
<br>Or, in this story, Gene is retelling the Christian narrative, not postulating a future addition to the gospel either as new Christ or AntiChrist.<br><br>I'm not sure which is correct, and of course there are most likely infinite other permutations here. But we won't get far, considering the whole picture (I think) in tying Sev to Christ in an meaningful way except in the alignment (and misalignment) of Sev and Christ as literary creations.<br>
<br>But, to end this horribly mangled line of thought, the best thing about all this, as has been said many times before on this board, is that there is a work interesting and complex enough for us to get off so soundly in digging into it!<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 2:59 PM, John Watkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:john.watkins04@gmail.com">john.watkins04@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">The absence of resurrection and judgment are fairly critical, aren't they? I suppose that would be evidence for the argument for Severian as Christian, not Christ, figure ... in fact, as you note, he's got a little Noah in him too.</div>
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</div><div>And there's no contradiction there. It's pretty common for Christian thinkers to try to find ways in which Old Testament figures "prefigure" Christ.</div>
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<div>Noah is typically held to prefigure Christ's relationship to the Church, with the church corresponding to the ark. </div>
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