I'm not convinced that the Hierogrammates put the black hole in the sun in the first place. <br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 7/17/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul B</b> <<a href="mailto:pb.stuff@gmail.com">pb.stuff@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
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<div dir="ltr">A few issues with this, and some inaccuracies.<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote"><span class="q">On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Dave Tallman <<a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:davetallman@msn.com" target="_blank">davetallman@msn.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">By Paul B's standard of murder none of us have clean hands.<br> </div></blockquote></span>
<div><br>Is there a problem with this, even if true? I know some religions that consider everyone to be a sinner.<br><br> </div><span class="q">
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<div dir="ltr"><br>We could start back with putting the black hole in the Sun, which caused Typhon to lose his grip on power. This short-term goal could have been the purpose. Suppose Ymar or one of his immediate successors had been able to restore the Sun. Then there would have been very little loss of life. </div>
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<div><br>Even considering the physical implications of your suggestion, you make a preposterous claim here without any evidence. Presumably a white hole is the only way to remove the black one. What would it matter how much time passes? The physical anomalies produced by the New Sun don't care, unless the black hole got a lot bigger after a few hundred years. Given that it's just had the sun to feed on, which it didn't even consume, it's unlikely.<br>
<br>Incidentally, it's curious that the introduction of the black hole didn't have similar effects on Urth as that of the white one.<br><br>As for the suggestion that Hierogrammates went to stellar engineering just to depose Typhon, it sounds like swatting a fly with a Buick.<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><br>Restoring the Sun remained a good goal in itself. All the living systems of Urth, Lune, and Verthandi were at stake. </div></blockquote></span>
<div><br>No. The Hierogrammates definitively say that Urth is all that matters.<br><br> </div><span class="q">
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<div dir="ltr"><br>Paul B argued that a mass evacuation of Urth was feasible in the time of Severian the Lame. I see no evidence for that. It was feasible in the time of Master Ash, but that was centuries later, after the population was desperate and greatly reduced by freezing and famine. <br>
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<div><br>You seem to conveniently forget that Hierogrammates do possess foresight, in addition to tech that allows creation of black holes. These two alone should suggest they can do pretty much any "mundane" thing (here, building large ship(s) - [if Typhon could do it, they could too] and sending it to point Urth) at pretty much any time, no?<br>
<br>When you can see probable futures, "feasibility" takes on a new meaning.<br><br>Paul<br> </div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Urth Mailing List<br>To post, write <a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:urth@urth.net">urth@urth.net</a><br>
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