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Maru Dubshinki wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:55:05 -0800, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danldo@gmail.com"><danldo@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">You want to know a classic that's facistic as all hell?
Read _Dune_ and pay attention to what's actually going on.
Master race, fuhrerprinzip, the whole works.
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Alright, I find that not a little insulting and downright wrong.
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Darn. I thought he hit it pretty well on the head.<br>
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<pre wrap="">First off, what the hell do you expect? The whole power system in the Duniverse
is feudal, practically fascistic by definition. I mean, I've never
seen a fictional work which had a feudal power structure and wasn't
fascistic.
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We could use a definition or two here. I just didn't see a fascist
universe in Dune. Feudal - definitely.<br>
Hierarchy, loyalty, military service, land/economic concessions under
it all. Fascist - not so much.<br>
No deification of nation, no identification of national and corporate
interests. The Fremen, on the other<br>
hand - fascist as all get out.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Secondly, while (I'm not saying that is true, but for the sake of
argument I'll let it pass) that may be true of "Dune" proper, that is
radically not true of the series as a whole- I honestly know of no
other way to characterize the Scattering as anything but
anti-authoritarian and rather democratic.
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As a last gasp of a dying society? The Worm had to drag humanity
kicking and screaming<br>
to it.<br>
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<pre wrap="">Notice also that the "master race" (you mean the Atreides
no doubt) dwindle in importance, from a Great House which threaten the
emperor, to regular people who flee in the scattering.
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The desert Fremen certainly think of themselves as a "master race", and
the book encourages<br>
that view.<br>
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<pre wrap="">That said, Watchmen sounds interesting. Think I'll pester my library
to acquire it.
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You won't regret it.<br>
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<pre wrap="">~Maru
"In Soviet Russia, monsters wrestle with you!"
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Enamel<br>
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