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On Friday, January 31, 2020, Aishling Mooney <aislingmooney777 at gmail.com>
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>>    1. Re:  [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women (Norwood, Frederick Hudson)
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>> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:20:29 +0000
>> From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu>
>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women
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>> I strongly urge all involved to drop this discussion, which I?m afraid I
>> started, and return to the subject of Gene Wolfe.
>>
>> Rick
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>> From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] On Behalf Of Charles
>> Gillingham
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:51 PM
>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women
>>
>> "Idiot" is an ableist slur...
>>
>> Some of the most vulgar societies were the most stable. Walking down any
>> given street in Augustus' Rome would have disgusted us. The graffiti in
>> Pompeii was worse than any I've seen growing up in the hood. Evolution
>> isn't always a clean or polite process. The battle of ideas is just as
>> dirty and violent as any other battle for survival.
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 10:32 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:danldo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an
>> idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly
>> lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness.
>>
>> Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that
>> civilization is in decline.
>>
>> Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words.
>>
>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
>>
>> Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!
>> --T?a???ke Witk?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham <
>> charlesgillingham at gmail.com<mailto:charlesgillingham at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which
>> is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or
>> placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case).
>> It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But
>> sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go
>> ahead be as nice as you want.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com
>> <mailto:danldo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Rick, you got it in one.
>>
>> I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old
>> enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side
>> of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, politeness.
>>
>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
>>
>> Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!
>> --T?a???ke Witk?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson <
>> NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu<mailto:NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu>> wrote:
>> In my experience, people who complain about having to be ?politically
>> correct? are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining
>> about not being allowed to be rude.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> From: Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net<mailto:urth-bounces@
>> lists.urth.net>] On Behalf Of Gem Caccetta
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM
>> To: urth at lists.urth.net<mailto:urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women
>>
>>
>> On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote:
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>> "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a
>> christian misogynist?"
>>
>>
>>
>> I know Wolfe?s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this
>> list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free
>> interesting:
>>
>> Free says??You like women, don?t you, Mr. Barnes??
>>
>> ?Like them?? Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. ?Not really.
>> I want them, and since I can?t have them, usually, I don?t like them. But I
>> want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.?
>>
>>
>> I wouldn?t be surprised if this was Wolfe?s own attitude toward women
>> speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but
>> he didn?t really like them. Just my guess, for what it?s worth.
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