(urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women
Ab de Vos
foxyab at casema.nl
Thu Jan 30 13:49:09 PST 2020
Maybe politeness is a question of style and not necessarily correlated
with an attitude of fundamental human respect. Often it is a way to make
a distinction between the man of value and the worthless man. So it is
not an ethical category but a strategic and rhetorical one. 18th century
France comes to mind: very polite and very corrupt. Rudeness was always
considered a property of the lower orders lacking the refinement of the
higher ones. 19th century GB considered the proles genetically inferior
like colored people and racism evolved with biological thinking - as a
form of ideology not science - and imperialism. So politeness may be not
only related to political civility but also to exclusion or worse.
Op 30-1-2020 om 18:10 schreef Charles Gillingham:
> Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought,
> which is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to
> compliment or placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent
> minority, in this case). It's freedom to disagree with authority, to
> be rude and controversial. But sure if you want to be polite when
> someone tells you to come with them, go ahead be as nice as you want.
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com
> <mailto:danldo at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Rick, you got it in one.
>
> I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm
> old enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully
> on the side of "political correctness", or, as it is properly
> know, /politeness/.
>
> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
>
> /Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!/
> /--/Tȟašúŋke Witkó
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson
> <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu <mailto:NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu>> wrote:
>
> In my experience, people who complain about having to be
> “politically correct” are people who want to say rude things
> and are really complaining about not being allowed to be rude.
>
> Rick
>
> *From:*Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net
> <mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net>] *On Behalf Of *Gem Caccetta
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM
> *To:* urth at lists.urth.net <mailto:urth at lists.urth.net>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women
>
> On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote:
>
> "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of
> being a christian misogynist…"
>
> I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many
> times on this list. I found this tidbit from my recent
> re-reading of Free Live Free interesting:
>
> Free says…”You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?”
>
> “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment.
> “Not really. I want them, and since I can’t have them,
> usually, I don’t like them. But I want them, I suppose you
> could say that. I admire Madame Serpentina.”
>
> I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude
> toward women speaking through Barnes. He could find things to
> admire in some women, but he didn’t really like them. Just my
> guess, for what it’s worth.
>
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