(urth) [EXTERNAL] Wolfe & Women

[Dan'l Danehy-Oakes]

If you can't figure out a way to politely tell someone that they are an
idiot who should go jump off a pier, your linguistic skills are sadly
lacking. And that is no excuse for rudeness.

Papa Heinlein, he say: when courtesy goes by the wayside, that civilization
is in decline.

Note also that "civil" and "civilization" are intimately related words.

Dan'l Danehy-Oakes

*Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!*
*--*Tȟašúŋke Witkó


On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Charles Gillingham <
charlesgillingham at gmail.com> wrote:

> Controlling speech is just one step away from controlling thought, which
> is controlling action. Freedom of speech isn't freedom to compliment or
> placate or agree with the majority (or belligerent minority, in this case).
> It's freedom to disagree with authority, to be rude and controversial. But
> sure if you want to be polite when someone tells you to come with them, go
> ahead be as nice as you want.
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, 8:08 AM Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rick, you got it in one.
>>
>> I'm someone who occasionally says some of those rude things. I'm old
>> enough to remember when it was "normal". But I come down fully on the side
>> of "political correctness", or, as it is properly know, *politeness*.
>>
>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
>>
>> *Maka ki ecela tehani yanke lo!*
>> *--*Tȟašúŋke Witkó
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 4:27 AM Norwood, Frederick Hudson <
>> NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> In my experience, people who complain about having to be “politically
>>> correct” are people who want to say rude things and are really complaining
>>> about not being allowed to be rude.
>>>
>>> Rick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Urth [mailto:urth-bounces at lists.urth.net] *On Behalf Of *Gem
>>> Caccetta
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2020 2:15 PM
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>>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] (urth) Wolfe & Women
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed Jan 29 2020 Ab de Dos wrote:
>>>
>>> "I believe the politically correct accuse Wolfe likewise of being a
>>> christian misogynist…"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I know Wolfe’s portrayal of women has been discussed many times on this
>>> list. I found this tidbit from my recent re-reading of Free Live Free
>>> interesting:
>>>
>>> Free says…”You like women, don’t you, Mr. Barnes?”
>>>
>>> “Like them?” Taken off guard Barnes considered for a moment. “Not
>>> really. I want them, and since I can’t have them, usually, I don’t like
>>> them. But I want them, I suppose you could say that. I admire Madame
>>> Serpentina.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I wouldn’t be surprised if this was Wolfe’s own attitude toward women
>>> speaking through Barnes. He could find things to admire in some women, but
>>> he didn’t really like them. Just my guess, for what it’s worth.
>>>
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