(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 186, Issue 4

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>    1. Re:  [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter
>       (Norwood, Frederick Hudson)
>    2. Re:  [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter
>       (Mark Millman)
>    3. Re:  [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter
>       (David Stockhoff)
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> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:13:00 +0000
> From: "Norwood, Frederick Hudson" <NORWOODR at mail.etsu.edu>
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> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly
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> In Urth of the New Son, Wolfe did almost everything differently from what
> the reading expected, including a compass having six points and south being
> at the south. Another example is that, in the end end the first book,
> instead of reaching their destination, the characters are just leaving the
> city they started in. Another is that, at one point, we find out that the
> man is the master and the master is the man. It is one of the book's charms.
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> I do not know if this carries over into Book of the Long Sun and Book of
> the Short Sun.
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> Also Book of the New Sun is a trilogy in four (or five) volumes.
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> Best,
> Rick
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> From: Urth <urth-bounces at lists.urth.net> on behalf of David Stockhoff <
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> Sent: Monday, December 7, 2020 11:43 AM
> To: urth at lists.urth.net <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter
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> Can you explain more about the 6 compass points? Sounds like it would lend
> itself to a hexmap, which I have not seen done.
>
>
> There is a theory about how far Wolfe took the reversal thing. I am not
> sure I can describe it verbally, but it involves moving Bueno Aires to the
> other side of the Andes by flipping the globe. It seems to work.
>
>
> On 12/6/2020 4:05 PM, Norwood, Frederick Hudson wrote:
> The most important thing is to have six cardinal points of the compass,
> not four. Second, to have south be up. I'm not certain that the people from
> earth carry this over to the new sun, but it would indicate an awareness
> that, in this series, Wolfe deliberately did everything different from the
> way we do things.
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> Best,
> Rick Norwood
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> From: Urth <urth-bounces at lists.urth.net><mailto:
> urth-bounces at lists.urth.net> on behalf of Fernando Gouvea <
> fqgouvea at colby.edu><mailto:fqgouvea at colby.edu>
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] (urth) from the Centipede Press weekly newsletter
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> Centipede Press <jerad at centipedepress.com><mailto:jerad at centipedepress.com>
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> Okay. I might be sorry I asked this, but who are the ???Gene Wolfe???
> people out there? As you know, I am doing new editions of the six-book The
> Book of the New Sun series. One nice thing to have would be new maps. I
> found an artist in France who does this sort of work with flair and
> panache, but the artist is looking for help with the basic structure of the
> The Book of the New Sun???s world. If you???re the Gene Wolfe fan who
> obsesses over this, and has rigorously analyzed all of the maps thus far
> created (there???s one on Wikipedia, and one created by Gurps, too, among
> several others)?????????your help is requested with this project. All I
> need to know is what is (are) considered the most regarded and considered
> the most accurate map(s). My map maker can extrapolate from there and make
> it into something amazing. If you???re that person, who???s really really
> really into this, and who knows the subject backwards and forwards, please
> give me a shout!
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 17:35:19 -0500
> From: Mark Millman <markjmillman at gmail.com>
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> Folks,
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> On Sunday 6 December 2020, Rick Norwood wrote:
>
> > The most important thing is to have six cardinal
> > points of the compass, not four. Second, to have
> > south be up.
>
> And on Monday 7 December 2020, David Stockhoff asked:
>
> > Can you explain more about the 6 compass
> > points? Sounds like it would lend itself to a hex-
> > map, which I have not seen done.
>
> To which Rick replied:
>
> > In Urth of the New Son, Wolfe did almost every-
> > thing differently from what the reading expected,
> > including a compass having six points and south
> > being at the south. . . .
>
> I imagine this is a typo for "top".  You're probably aware that maps
> with south at the top are the classical Chinese standard, which was
> influential in east Asia (and remember that there's evidence that
> Korea may have been a dominant power on Urth for a while, including
> having launched Jonas' ship).  For that matter, medieval European maps
> often put east at the top, taking their orientation from Jerusalem and
> Eden.
>
> But my impression of the six-pointed compass is that it's a spherical
> compass that indicates up and down as well as south, north, west, and
> east.  Six coplanar cardinal points seems too arbitrary to appeal to
> Wolfe's engineering brain.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark Millman
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 17:40:09 -0500
> From: David Stockhoff <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
> To: urth at lists.urth.net
> Subject: Re: (urth) [EXTERNAL] from the Centipede Press weekly
>         newsletter
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> Thanks. I was trying to find out where in the text a 6-point compass was
> mentioned. I agree that if you have six you could just as well have
> seven---but 8 is pretty much universal for obvious reasons.
>
> On 12/7/2020 5:35 PM, Mark Millman wrote:
> > Folks,
> >
> > On Sunday 6 December 2020, Rick Norwood wrote:
> >
> >> The most important thing is to have six cardinal
> >> points of the compass, not four. Second, to have
> >> south be up.
> > And on Monday 7 December 2020, David Stockhoff asked:
> >
> >> Can you explain more about the 6 compass
> >> points? Sounds like it would lend itself to a hex-
> >> map, which I have not seen done.
> > To which Rick replied:
> >
> >> In Urth of the New Son, Wolfe did almost every-
> >> thing differently from what the reading expected,
> >> including a compass having six points and south
> >> being at the south. . . .
> > I imagine this is a typo for "top".  You're probably aware that maps
> > with south at the top are the classical Chinese standard, which was
> > influential in east Asia (and remember that there's evidence that
> > Korea may have been a dominant power on Urth for a while, including
> > having launched Jonas' ship).  For that matter, medieval European maps
> > often put east at the top, taking their orientation from Jerusalem and
> > Eden.
> >
> > But my impression of the six-pointed compass is that it's a spherical
> > compass that indicates up and down as well as south, north, west, and
> > east.  Six coplanar cardinal points seems too arbitrary to appeal to
> > Wolfe's engineering brain.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Mark Millman
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