(urth) Typhon's concessions
dstockhoff at verizon.net
Fri Sep 7 09:55:16 PDT 2018
Well put. I was thinking along the same lines as far as materialistic
assumptions about history, but was unable to develop the idea further.
On 9/7/2018 11:21 AM, Jeffery Wilson clueland.com wrote:
> On 05-Sep-18 12:36 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>> The criminal on the scaffold in Silk's enlightenment? Obviously
>> Jesus. Who says enlightenment only works backwards?
>> I suspect that Severian _does_ lie, or at least makes mistakes. There
>> are little contradictions in his account that don't jibe with him
>> having perfect memory *and* truthfulness.
> On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:28 AM Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com
>> <mailto:marcaramini at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> My nuclear hot take on the solar cycle: Severian doesn’t lie; Wolfe
>> almost does - but not to me.
> The narrative has Sev flat out lying to Vodalus, despite having taken
> his coin and sworn allegiance, and to his brothers in the Guild.
> Why not to us?
>> I just can’t imagine Wolfe would take
>> out the most important person in history and have it change nothing
>> in that history. We still get Alice in wonderland and a Catholic
>> Church and drinking matte in South America and pope’s translation of
>> the odyssey. Jesus didn’t have any impact on history if the solar
>> cycle doesn’t have him.
> Ordinarily I would agree with that hypothesis but it's based on a
> materialistic, objectively causal theory of history. After the first
> Edenic manvantara where everything goes right and mankind begets the
> Hierodules before becoming the sublime Hieros and vanishing, the
> Hierodules are left behind but use their access to Briah to try to
> make history conform to the first go-round so they can follow.
> So if there is no Jesus, they can supply one. If there is no Gospel,
> they can supply a set. But if there is no LOGOS in them, or him,
> that's up to the Increate. I think Wolfe's notion is that the
> imitation of goodness can mitigate the crapsack world of the
> Christless future, but it's just not the same and the best you can
> hope for is someone to become a vessel for real goodness to influence
> divine judgement.
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