(urth) Borrowed Man writeup

Tue Oct 2 05:56:41 PDT 2018

The other dream Ern has when he is locked in the room by Payne and Fish is
one in which he opens a book and Arabella comes out, but then later he
forces Colette into a book, struggling to get her back on the shelf. Is
this like the dream struggle around the watery grave on Mars?

On Tuesday, October 2, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here, paradise is water and the desert with its sands of eternity impede
> progress, like arabella’s Poem of feet dragging across the desert with
> boots that can never be free from the sands of time .
>
> Yellow - the car canary is yellow. It seats six and ern and Arabella take
> it to taos towers at the end. While chick wears blue at first, later he
> wears a black overcoat in JULY (summer) when ern gets the drop on him in
> women’s clothing. The car Cat is black. So Wolfe is playing a seasonal
> game, a color game, and maybe a “person” game here. Should chick be at all
> counted in the yellow group for a time because of his (or her) name? I
> still think he is a metonymy rather than an actual player in the pre-ern
> drama which took place - the colors and the symbols tell us what happened
> before ern showed up since he can’t know.
>
> Now ... wrestling the man headed and ape headed being of many arms while a
> grave on mars filled it up with water might be more than a clue that Blue
> is Mars. The red planet ... death .... water fills it up. The red planet is
> choked by a snake on the cover. Cob is choked by someone with strong hands.
>
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018, Ab de Vos <foxyab at casema.nl> wrote:
>
>> The names Arabella and Colette refer both via via vaguely to male
>> catholic saints: Gregory the Great and Nicolas. Relevant??
>>
>> Red and Blue are primary colors: yellow is missing. Is A Borrowed Man's
>> world a world without a sun? I found a few references to night time but not
>> to day time. Is it a world without a salvation, a sort of hell? How would
>> time be measured?
>>
>> There is also systematic discrimination of reclones which even sounds a
>> bit like negroes.
>>
>> Op 1-10-2018 om 18:23 schreef Marc Aramini:
>>
>> That damn taffy ... Arabella and food. Saltwater, seascape - cold brook.
>> For real though, how is anybody supposed to figure out which of the
>> searchers is most associated with red? And the green ... I think Wolfe
>> mapped these colors allegorically onto one particular thing in each case
>> but how we can untangle that is still ... nebulous.
>>
>> On Monday, October 1, 2018, Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On October 1, 2018 Marc Aramini wrote:
>>>
>>> >And violet is more of a mix between blue and red, the color of the planets
>>> >involved. However, besides the red cars (Geraldine, female persona of male
>>> >comedian flip Wilson) ... what is red? What to do with this?
>>>
>>> There are a couple of other references to red in the book.  Ern says
>>> that he wrote a series involving a character called The Red Searcher (pg.
>>> 112).  There are red leather bar stools at Coldbrook manor (pg. 197).
>>> Payne uses the term "macro-red" in some inscrutably slangy way: Ern: "You
>>> must find it unpleasant, I'm sure."  Payne: "You bet we do.  It's
>>> macro-red.  If you can tell me anything that might help, I'll be your
>>> friend for life, and that's no chad, see?"  (pg. 132).  Arabella remembers
>>> saltwater taffy that came in a box decorated with a seascape.  The taffies
>>> themselves were in "red, blue, and green wrappers".  (pg. 91).  RBG in
>>> Wolfe-land does not make me think of a Supreme Court Justice.
>>>
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>>> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 04:49:18 -0700
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>>> Auto correct strikes: were is weer.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Also, roglich gives them a second book in a blue binding. It has
>>> > equations. Equations are mentioned as omitted on page 221 as a secret,
>>> > where the burning man imagery starts. There are multiple copies of that
>>> > book of equations, on the second shelf. I think that resonates with
>>> > Arabella... but why equations? It is also to the bookcase that Roglich
>>> > speaks.
>>> > I think after 2001 Wolfe put more and more exposition in the embedded
>>> > symbols - they have been there before even Peace (Ben yahya- son of
>>> John
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>>> Speaking of all the Co- names, when roglich points to the book he starts
>>> stuttering:? I-I ... c-could you bring me a copy of my book ... a th-thin
>>> book in a b-b-blue binding.? (82-3) I really think there is a
>>> relationship
>>> there.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Auto correct strikes: were is weer.
>>> >
>>> > On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Also, roglich gives them a second book in a blue binding. It has
>>> >> equations. Equations are mentioned as omitted on page 221 as a secret,
>>> >> where the burning man imagery starts. There are multiple copies of
>>> that
>>> >> book of equations, on the second shelf. I think that resonates with
>>> >> Arabella... but why equations? It is also to the bookcase that Roglich
>>> >> speaks.
>>> >> I think after 2001 Wolfe put more and more exposition in the embedded
>>> >> symbols - they have been there before even Peace (Ben yahya- son of
>>> John
>>> >> (were), Elia- olive: Olivia etc but now they are
>>> >
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>>> Marc:
>>> I am reading through the write-up.  You pointed out that you felt after
>>> writing it that there is some connection between Arabella and sandwiches.
>>> With that in mind, this stuck out to me from your writing:  "[C]ould it be
>>> that Ern actually represents one which fits one side of the door but not
>>> the other? Would Arabella constitute the other side, assuming that her
>>> proliferation is slightly unnatural?"  Ern on one side of the door,
>>> Arabella on the other -- a sandwich.
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>>> Yes I really think this is the case.
>>> I am going to revise the ending a bit with these thoughts in mind but not
>>> too much - still going to leave that ?open? conclusion. Hope you don?t
>>> mind
>>> the quotes in there I used the list heavily in this one.
>>> On Sunday, September 30, 2018, Robert Pirkola <rpirkola at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Marc:
>>> > I am reading through the write-up.  You pointed out that you felt after
>>> > writing it that there is some connection between Arabella and
>>> sandwiches.
>>> > With that in mind, this stuck out to me from your writing:  "[C]ould
>>> it be
>>> > that Ern actually represents one which fits one side of the door but
>>> not
>>> > the other? Would Arabella constitute the other side, assuming that her
>>> > proliferation is slightly unnatural?"  Ern on one side of the door,
>>> > Arabella on the other -- a sandwich.
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