(urth) George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe

[Robin B. Smith]

Thanks. I'll check on that point and see if my theory still has any legs,
and present it anew some time in the future if it's still plausible. At
best it's a tenuous, just-for-fun theory. After reading the chronology on
here, with a few textual points, and Chris's tactics & methods, combined
with some of Wolfe's proclivities, the idea--that Chris is Blackbeard
writing before he becomes Blackbeard--has won me over. Hopefully others
will find it enjoyable to contemplate, regardless of Truth ;-)

On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Seems unlikely - Blackbeard would have been 12 at the time of the Port
> Royal earthquake, which appears to have happened _after_ the main action of
> Pirate Freedom.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Robin B. Smith <robinbsmith at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> since Pirate Freedom was brought up here, before I go off and start a new
>> email chain, I've been wondering: has it been discussed that Chris may be
>> Blackbeard? (I did some cursory searching previously, but found no
>> discussion of that point expressly)
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:58 AM, marcaramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Home Fires is good once you realize Skip kills Zygment and is actually
>>> the person trying to sabotage everything, but it is too subtextual and
>>> subtle, and the voodoo section (in which the guns represent the people
>>> around chelle) way too unclear ... people cant follow what Wolfe is doing
>>> in that one on the surface level. ... seven american nights had more
>>> compelling overt action even though nobody knew what was going on for like
>>> 30 years... Home Fires has more ironic cross examination that for some
>>> reason is not as satisfying to our modern audience ...
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Alpha™, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Gwern Branwen <gwern at gwern.net>
>>> Date: 04/28/2015 9:31 AM (GMT-07:00)
>>> To: The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
>>> Cc: urth <urth at urth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: (urth) George R. R. Martin on Gene Wolfe
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Nick Lee <starwaterstrain at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > They never bring up Wolfe, from what I've seen, and you would think
>>> he's the
>>> > perfect example. He's obviously Catholic and conservative, to a
>>> degree. See
>>> > arguments about this in the past of the List and recently on Reddit.
>>> He's
>>> > never won a Hugo despite numerous other accolades. You would think
>>> he'd be
>>> > their most damning evidence. So what gives?
>>>
>>> I saw this anti-Puppy argument previously brought up in, I think, a
>>> New Republic blog; they added on as another example R.A. Lafferty. It
>>> doesn't work because of the timing: the politicization of the Hugos
>>> and associated sites like Tor.com (still publishing a notorious
>>> cyberstalker because her politics & gender are correct, incidentally)
>>> only really starts hitting in force in the '90s and '00s.
>>>
>>> R.A. Lafferty wasn't even writing at that point, having given up until
>>> his unpublished stuff sold and then went to meet his maker, and Gene
>>> has still been writing but as much as I love his books, I would have a
>>> hard time making the case that any of _The Wizard Knight_, _Pirate
>>> Freedom_, _An Evil Guest_, _The Sorcerer's House_ or _Home Fires_
>>> *really* deserved to take home a Hugo for Best Novel. (Just compare
>>> the level of discussion on urth.net of any of those novels to that of,
>>> say, _Peace_ or even some of the short stories - having read through
>>> all of the hits for both, I think it's entirely possible that there
>>> has been more discussion here of the scant few paragraphs of "Suzanne
>>> Delage" than of the entirety of _Pirate Freedom_.)
>>> _The Long Sun_ was good and did manage to get some nominations, but
>>> also finished in '96 - or 19+ years ago now.
>>>
>>> Hence, Lafferty's and Wolfe's nominations and awards are uninformative
>>> since they either were in time periods where the Sad Puppies see
>>> minimal problems, or they are drawn from a time period where the
>>> relevant works did not exist / weren't clearly deserving of awards.
>>>
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