(urth) resurrecting a 2002 thread that posits an alternative lineage for Sev

Brad Henry bradhenry101 at gmail.com
Thu Oct 2 07:19:21 PDT 2014


I'm sure I'm late to the game on this one too, but Paul often refers to the
final culmination of a christian's life as being made "like the stars
(suns) in the heavens" (a traditional apocalyptic image that should not be
taken simply metaphorically).

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 10:14 AM, António Marques <entonio at gmail.com> wrote:

> And Christ performed miracles through faith, not by the use of some
> magical power belonging to himself.
>
> On 2 October 2014 15:04, Brad Henry <bradhenry101 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And part of catholic teaching is that saints are not simply 'controlled
>> by christ' in their working of miracles (many saints have performed
>> miracles like severian') but they are in the process of 'theosis' (or,
>> sometimes called 'divination'), being made into gods, that culminates in
>> their resurrection to immortality. It is a christian quip: "God became man,
>> so that man might become (a) god." The traditional biblical cite for this
>> is 2 Peter 1.3-4.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is obvious, but for me the miracles make him pretty explicitly a
>>> Judeo-Christian wonderworker/savior with a little sin and torture thrown in
>>> for good measure (bleeding from the forehead when he sees the many
>>> eye-winged butterfly, turning water to wine, resurrecting the dead,
>>> healing, carrying a huge cross shaped torture device which is occasionally
>>> planted in the ground, being tempted by Satan almost verbatim (but never,
>>> say, transforming into an animal like a Pagan god)) - my earliest
>>> impression when I was a young boy was not that he was a normal person but a
>>> Christ.  The pagan gods are the unnatural creatures in New Sun whose
>>> mythologies are incorporated and transformed into Christian stories [such
>>> as the flood and the story of Genesis]. (At least throughout The Book of
>>> the New Sun).
>>>
>>> I never fancied Sev ordinary. While clearly Wolfe loves playing with
>>> mythical creatures, the importance of his Catholicism to his works
>>> shouldn't be understated.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 2, 2014, Lee <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> >On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:35 AM, David Stockhoff <
>>>> dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Severian is a (pagan) god. He has a presentiment of it at the beginning
>>>> of his story but by the end
>>>>
>>>> of Citadel, we are meant to understand that he was The Conciliator and
>>>> he will be The New Sun.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By the end of Urth of the New Sun we also understand that in addition
>>>> to his superhuman healing
>>>>
>>>> powers, he was also worshipped as Apu Punchau, he can breathe
>>>> underwater, he can travel through time
>>>>
>>>>  he is immortal (though not invulnerable), and at the very end he once
>>>> again finds himself worshipped as
>>>>
>>>> a god.
>>>>
>>>
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