(urth) FW: May 2014 Wolfe interview in _Technology Review_

[Marc Aramini]

and in VRT the officer reading the documents bathes the girls saliva off
"prophylactically" or something of the sort - odd choice of words.


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com> wrote:

> It also seems to me that brides involve a method of propagation and
> reproduction, you know?  like the life cycle involves them somehow.  But
> like I said, I really don't want to argue too much about this because our
> views on parallel symbolic associations in Fifth Head of Cerberus are
> diametrically opposed.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> they say the white creatures they chew and spit out are their "brides." -
>> seems like an organism to me. As I said, the associations are symbolic
>> rather than literal, so proving it is quite unlikely.  Sandwalker and
>> Eastwind ARE switched by a bite.  Marsch is switched with a bite, too.  But
>> you don't buy it, that's fine.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Gerry Quinn <gerry at bindweed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 05/08/2014 14:54, Marc Aramini wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seeing as how I view Shadow Children as psychically gifted and
>>>> "empathetic" and capable of rising up in the draft of currents from the
>>>> ground and take seriously the idea that even though they are many when they
>>>> are confronted  they fade into "one lonely" - (ie a parasitic community
>>>> that infects a host so thoroughly that they are effectively only that one
>>>> being, the small things living in the mouth that the large Shadow Child
>>>> says might switch Eastwind and Sandwalker when he bites them at the end of
>>>> "A Story" (because he is infected himself and is a "shadow child", though
>>>> "A Story" is a myth and is not realistic in all details, being symbolic in
>>>> some), I feel most of your discussion is probably moot - the Shadow
>>>> Children are only human insofar as they can infect them. Also, I believe
>>>> Shadow Child infection can alter the eyes, such as the doubled pupil that
>>>> seems to be undergoing meiosis or something after Marsch shoots the wild
>>>> animals near the back of beyond. I don't want to argue about any of that
>>>> stuff, but I do want to point out "all this is stated quite clearly in the
>>>> text" when you are talking about "A Story" in Fifth Head of Cerberus is
>>>> simply not an accurate assessment of all the confusing stuff  and mystical
>>>> mumbo jumbo going on, where both species are very confused about their
>>>> origin.  One is imitative, one infectious, and both might have come from a
>>>> single source of divergent evolution ... or not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are no small creatures in the Shadow Child's mouth.  "That which
>>> swam in my mouth swims in his veins now" is singular - it refers to the
>>> drug plant they chew.  "And because I spoke to him and he believed me, in
>>> his mind he is you" - drug-induced hypnosis.  And I ask again, where do we
>>> find any reason to believe the original Marsch was infected in some way by
>>> Victor?  He got a cat-bite that went septic, but nowhere is infection
>>> linked to imitation.  The green eyes of the aborigines (such as Victor) are
>>> not double-pupilled - what have they to do with the eyes of the hippo or
>>> whatever?
>>>
>>> I don't believe there is any confusion - we are given a quite coherent,
>>> if unlikely, story.  The Old Wise One is never confused about his origin
>>> until a large part of him is generated from Sandwalker's mind.  Then, and
>>> only then, does he become confused, and in a manner consistent with the
>>> story so far.  Note that the actual story doesn't change anyway - he just
>>> doesn't know which of the two peoples he is - the humans who crossed from
>>> star to star, landing on Sainte Anne, or the shape-shifting tool-less
>>> people - Sandwalker's ancestors - they found there.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Gerry Quinn
>>>
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