(urth) Time, Not Cloning
David Stockhoff
dstockhoff at verizon.net
Fri Aug 2 17:41:28 PDT 2013
And the simplest way to interpret that is,
shadow = khaibit
khaibit = clone
so shadow = clone and
"The Shadow of the Torturer" = "The Clone of the Torturer"
Take it away, boys!
On 8/2/2013 3:27 PM, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
> ... and all this leads around to the question of whether Severian (the
> Severian we know, who is "not the first Severian") is himself a
> _khaibit_ or "shadow...thus the real meaning of the title.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:24 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF
> <dstockhoff at verizon.net <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
> True, but the terminology is well enough known:
>
> To the Ancient Egyptian there is more to human beings than body
> and soul. They have (1) the /khat/ (*the physical body*), (2) the
> /saku/ (*spiritual body*), (3) the /ab/ (*heart*), (4) the /ka/
> (*double*), (5) the /ba/ (*soul*), (6) the /khaibit/ (*shadow*),
> (7) the /khu/ (*intelligence*), (8) the /sekhem/ (*form*), (9) the
> /ren/ (*name*). Some have direct connection with "*the realm of
> the gods*" and one actually exists in "*the realm of the
> gods*".****
> <http://www.advancedresearchconsultants.com/not5.htm#fig33>
>
> Striking that Wolfe did not use ka for apparent clones.
>
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> *From:* Jeff Wilson <jwilson at clueland.com
> <mailto:jwilson at clueland.com>>
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> *Sent:* Friday, August 2, 2013 3:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: (urth) Time, Not Cloning
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>
> On Fri, August 2, 2013 08:06, Lee Berman wrote:
> >>Jeff Wilson: BTW, I cannot find "khaibit" nor "kaibit" at
> OED.com
> >
> > I borrowed my definition from this old research document:
> > http://www.masseiana.org/on_the_shade.htm
> > It is a few paragraphs down from the top. Interestingly, it
> mentions
> > eidolons also.
>
> I thought part of the conceit was that the translator of BOTNS
> did not
> invent any words, but did use obscure ones that had previously
> been used
> in English before.
>
>
> > So if I am granted poetic license to interpret the contents
> of the
> > coffins, I'd say that in
> > addition to Severian, they contain Number Five, Weer, Horn,
> maybe
> > Latro....I think they
> > symbolize the inclusion of Gene Wolfe avatars within his
> stories. (I
> > include Horn because I
> > can imagine Wolfe acknowledging that his future works will
> continue to
> > contain Wolfe avatars).
>
>
> Wolfe's said his insertion into BOTNS is Cyby.
>
>
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> Jeff Wilson - < jwilson at clueland.com
> <mailto:jwilson at clueland.com> >
> A&M Texarkana Computational Intelligence Lab
> < http://www.tamut.edu/cil >
>
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