(urth) Inhumi's secret and numbers on Blue

[António Pedro Marques]

I think I'm very much in agreement.

Let's see what we know of it, after all:
- the inhumi fly, apparently also at high altitudes
- the settlers have found no inhumi bases on Blue
- the inhumi seem to appear in great numbers during conjunction
- conjunction itself exists
- outside conjunction, the settlers seem not to be overly fearful of the inhumi

It's natural for the settlers to assume that the inhumi come from Green, and for want of a better explanation, they 'jump'. It needn't be the inhumi's invention, it's a conclusion the settlers would reach by themselves. 

It would also seem necessary that they are able to go back to Green, since that's where they hatch after having fed while on Blue. 

Unless they are native to Blue and don't make the trip at all, they do make the trip. Yeah, they could turn into wood after having set themselves on course. But for some reason that explanation doesn't fly for me. There's a mystery here to solve and I feel it should unlock something else. 


No dia 28/11/2012, às 15:08, DAVID STOCKHOFF <dstockhoff at verizon.net> escreveu:

> You're absolutely correct: We're not talking about hard SF here. Some basic reasons to give the inhunu space flight theory a break are (1) they are aliens whose physiology we have only the smallest clues about (2) we do indeed keep expanding our understanding of the limits of earthly life (although to be fair bacteria don't quite count) (3) as you suggest, we know they have the powers of glamour and inhumation, so why not  Cthulhu-like "flight" between "the stars"? (Tzadkiel seems to do it.) I've argued for the first two; the last bothers me because I'm not really sure I accept the shapechanging powers.
> 
> Still, winged flight between planets requires ether to swim in. Wolfe does not propose an ether. He makes allusions to Lovecraft but does not resurrect the whole Lovecraftian pseudoscientific context for winged flight. So even just arguing from literary suspension of disbelief is problematic. 
> 
> From this perspective, the claim is not dissimilar from a character saying he goes from house to house delivering gifts via chimneys, or claiming he has a ring to control the world, or claiming that only he can provide eternal life, or ... In other words, it sounds like a folkloric lie used to scare children, one which is in this case slightly out of place. Some things we tell ourselves about vampires (inhumi) are true, and some are not. Given Wolfe's fixation on the "truth" of myth, this seems to fit: Vampires don't fly through space---they lie and deceive and strike at night when you are alone and unprotected. This is where I end up.
> 
> From: "entonio at gmail.com" <entonio at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: (urth) Inhumi's secret and numbers on Blue
> 
> Didn't Anne McCaffrey have some such filiform beings land on a planet as well?
> 
> I find the insistence on the unfeasibility of inhumi travel misguided, except when it aims to point out that they may be lying (that's what they and their hosts do, after all). We keep discovering creatures here on earth living lives formerly considered impossible, and I mean impossible, not unlikely. To hold on to what we know to dismiss what we don't is what flat-earthers did. Still, I'm inclined to think the inhumi  can't cross the void the way we're told they do. 
> 
> They don't seem to have anything like a cell wall either, so no hypothetical  plant-like abilities. Otoh, theres their shapeshifting thing (which I find no one protesting!), so all bets are off. 
> 
> António
> 
> 
> No dia 27/11/2012, às 22:57, nate jarvis <natejarv at gmail.com> escreveu:
> 
> > If the Neighbors sent/brought the inhumi to the Whorl to judge what
> > humans are like based on how the inhumi parasitizing them behaved,
> > then how did they do so? If the Neighbors on Green were shipping
> > inhumi to Bue as part of their war between Green and Blue, what was
> > their method of shipping?
> > 
> > Climbing a mountain--even one that pokes up out of the atmosphere like
> > our own Olympus Mons--and then flapping your wings really really hard
> > to fly through vacuum just seems silly. The inhumi obviously do use
> > human tech to travel--that's how Krait and Horn get to Green--but they
> > might also still be using Neighbor tech to travel during the events of
> > Short Sun.
> > 
> > David Stockhoff lists:
> > (1) Vacuum rupture
> > (2) Radiation
> > (3) Heat/cold variation
> > (4) Navigation/propulsion
> > (5) Reentry/landing
> > (6) Food/air
> > 
> > Micrometeorite impacts should maybe also be included.
> > 
> > If inhumi have a means of going into protected stasis then #4 and
> > likely #5 present insurmountable obstacles. If they were being fired
> > out of cannons, that might address #4, but I don't recall any hint of
> > space guns on Green, nor any reason to believe that the inhumi are
> > capable of calculating where they would like to aim a space gun, let
> > alone manipulating controls to do so themselves.
> > 
> > So why do people on Blue believe that the inhumi fly through space? Is
> > this just a case of the inhumi themselves knowing how to start rumors,
> > and wanting that particular piece of misinformation in wide
> > circulation on Blue?
> > 
> > Nate.
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