(urth) Hard SF

Sergei SOLOVIEV soloviev at irit.fr
Wed Nov 28 09:59:23 PST 2012


I had the same impression about sizes. If you find where it was said 
that the Whorl is ten times
smaller than Blue I would be glad to know.

Sergei

Marc Aramini wrote:
> I figure they are more like Earth and Mars.  Actually, the size of 
> Blue is implied somewhere (ten times the size of the whorl in 
> diameter?) I don't remember exactly where.  I always wanted to go back 
> and see how big it was, but I am sloppy about numbers in that way. 
>
> --- On *Wed, 11/28/12, Sergei SOLOVIEV /<soloviev at irit.fr>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Sergei SOLOVIEV <soloviev at irit.fr>
>     Subject: Re: (urth) Hard SF
>     To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
>     Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2012, 9:23 AM
>
>     About Blue and Green, I often asked myself what kind of orbit they
>     have.
>     Is it just like Earth and Moon, but
>     with much greater eccentricity? And what are the relative sizes? It
>     seems that gravity on Green is less.
>
>     Another very exotic possibility is that they both orbit the Short Sun
>     but come periodically very close.
>     The conjunction has the period of several years! This seems not very
>     compatible with the
>     first variant, and may be an argument for the second.
>     It is very exotic because such orbits would be normally not
>     stable, but
>     one can find some very
>     exceptional particular "resonance" solutions when it remains
>     stable for
>     a relatively long time.
>
>     Does the Whorl orbit the Short Sun or the Blue-Green system?
>
>     Maybe this was already discussed?
>
>     Sergei
>
>     Daniel Petersen wrote:
>     > That's a wonderful thought, Antonin!  Is this feasible?  (Both
>     > generally and in the text?)
>     >
>     > -DOJP
>     >
>     > On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Antonin Scriabin
>     > <kierkegaurdian at gmail.com
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>     <mailto:kierkegaurdian at gmail.com
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>     wrote:
>     >
>     >     Do we have any idea just how close Blue and Green get during
>     >     conjunction?  I seem to remember that from Blue, Green is
>     more of
>     >     a spec than a moon, but perhaps they are close enough, or have
>     >     unusually expansive atmospheres, such that during conjunction
>     >     their atmospheres merge and allow the Inhumi to fly from one to
>     >     another.  If they are this close though, they would most
>     >     definitely fall under the sway of one another's gravitational
>     >     field, which doesn't seem to be the case.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >     On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Lee Berman
>     >     <severiansola at hotmail.com
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>     <mailto:severiansola at hotmail.com
>     <http://us.mc1607.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=severiansola@hotmail.com>>>
>     wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >         >David Stockhoff: We're not talking about hard SF here.
>     >
>     >         Just for the sake of discussion, I'll disagree. Perhaps
>     Wolfe
>     >         isn't diamond-hard
>     >         but I'd give him ruby- or sapphire- on the MOhs scale. I
>     think
>     >         he makes a
>     >         sincere attempt in most of his work, as the quote below
>     >         illustrates.
>     >
>     >         Where fantasy writers are content to give us shape changers
>     >         without explanation,
>     >         Wolfe provides us with a sponge cellular analogy for
>     Tzadkiel
>     >         and flexible bones
>     >         and muscles, make-up and hypnotic abilities for Inhumi.
>     >
>     >         If the Inhumi really fly through space I'd want more
>     than the
>     >         skimpy evidence we
>     >         are provided (and less evidence for their lying nature).
>     >
>     >         >Nick Gevers: Speaking as an engineer, how might the godling
>     >         be constructed so as to
>     >         >walk as a giant on land, where the undines [submarine
>     >         giantesses] cannot?
>     >
>     >         >Gene Wolfe: There are a number of ways you could go. First,
>     >         get rid of the notion that
>     >         >the godling is going to be proportioned like a human being.
>     >         Changes in size always mean
>     >         >changes in build. (Dr. Crane touches on that.) A man fifty
>     >         feet tall, proportioned like
>     >         >you or me, would sink into the ground a lot -- had you
>     >         thought of that? Take a look at
>     >         >the really big dinosaurs. Bone density could be increased,
>     >         and the legs and pelvis made
>     >         >more massive, and so on
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