(urth) Fairies and Wolfe

[Allan Anderson]

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at clueland.com> wrote:

>
> On Mon, April 2, 2012 14:08, Lee Berman wrote:
> >
> >>Jeff Wilson: Off the cuff, I'd say magic is characterized as an agency
> >> that
> >>is similar to divine power except that it can be made to do a mortal's
> >>bidding. Magic can be couched in material vessels like charms, fetishes,
> >>or talking fish, but has the capacity to do what the the invoker
> >>subjectively means to do rather than what the material vessels would
> >>otherwise do as judged by objective observers.
> >
> > To play devil's (heh) advocate, I don't then see the distinction between
> > magic
> > and divine power.
>
> "except that it can be made to do a mortal's bidding"
>
> Moses uses magic when he strikes the rock in defiance of G-d's command.
> The events that conspire to keep Jonah from shirking his visit to Nineveh
> are manifested of divine power.
>
>
> I once had a teacher who told us that prayer was supplication to divine
power, but magic was like grabbing the intestines of the forces of the
universe (gods? spirits?) and twisting until they did our bidding.
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