(urth) Faterh Inire

[David Stockhoff]

On 10/13/2011 6:46 PM, Lee Berman wrote:
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>> larry miller: The jungle guide is definetly Inire.  Dorcas husband
>> and Isangoma on the other hand Id have to disagree with you.  Isangoma
>> along with Robert and Marie are just people from our time being observed
>> by Severian and Agia.  Inire being Dorcas husband makes no sense to me
>> but Id love to hear any thoughts you have on why you think so.
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> Well, I think I am willing to pursue Father Inire further than anyone else
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> in the world (except, perhaps, Gene Wolfe and he ain't talkin').
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> At the risk of sounding argumentative, which I don't want to be, I'm curious
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> about your skepticism regarding Isangoma. Sure that trio is put there for
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> to be observed by Severian (not Agia, I think she is a pawn with different
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> purposes). But why? And what serves to link Urth and Earth if not Father Inire?
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> Plus we have a jungle shaman who is Inire and an "Isangoma", which means shaman,
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> in a Jungle Hut, both with dark, metallic skin. The connection is pretty strong
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> for me.
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> Dorcas' husband being Father Inire is surely a difficult leap of faith few are
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> willing to make. I was willing because I was looking. None of the bits of
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> evidence are compelling by themselves. It only makes sense, like a jigsaw puzzle,
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> if you identify each piece with other pieces around it.
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> So, to start, when an small, old, bent man with a wry neck says Father Inire is a
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> small, old bent man with a wry neck I have to start wondering about his identity.
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> When Dorcas' husband says he was there when Father Inire planted the averns,
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> perhaps he doesn't mean he was simply watching.
Do you have a page or a quote for this? I'd like to read that passage. I 
agree that these two clues are classic Wolfe.
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> Just before the Jungle Hut, Severian tells Agia a Father Inire story which seems
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> to suggest he has a somewhat creepy fascination with young girls (surely a Lewis
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> Carroll reference, especially when paired with mirrors). I think the consensus for
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> Dorcas'age when she first gave birth was about 15, so that might qualify Dorcas'
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> husband as being similar in that regard.
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> Some other non-human literary characters who had a fascination with young human
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> women were the ancient Greek and Roman gods. They were always falling in love or
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> lust and changing their form so they could mate with some young ingenue. The
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> offspring of such mixed-race matings were usually demi-gods or heroes. I think
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> this analogy helps us to understand why Severian is inexplicably special in this
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> story. Like a Greek hero he falls into fantastic adventure after adventure. He
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> doesn't always win but nothing seems to be able to kill him and he has special
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> powers which we eventually find out originate in him, not a blue jewel.
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> Anyway, similar collections of evidence can be used to identify other possible Inire
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> iterations.  I mentioned Hethor in a recent post.  Fechin and Ceryx are two other
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> oft-discussed possibilities. 		 	   		
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