(urth) Typhon's nature

[David Stockhoff]

I'm not sure anyone has suggested before that Typhon is an alien mind in 
a human body (who for some reason is very attached to his body's face). 
Nor that the "beans" are human/oid embryos. It seems possible and not 
inconsistent with the BotNS universe or Wolfe in general.

We do know (or suspect) that the sea-Mothers on Blue and Urth are 
physical sisters. Moving minds ought to be easier than bodies.

On 10/9/2011 9:05 PM, larry miller wrote:
> Or maybe that particular body of Typhons was grown from an embryo (Or
> one of Jonas beans) and then downloaded into it when his original body
> died?  I dont have the book on hand but I also seem to remember him
> commenting on the longevity of physical bodies in contrast to the
> longevity of consciousness.  Perhaps this wasn't in reference to human
> bodies but to his original alien form.  Any thoughts on his other
> comment about sending his thoughts out?
>
> On 10/9/11, David Stockhoff<dstockhoff at verizon.net>  wrote:
>> aw, break a leg!
>>
>> On 10/9/2011 8:42 PM, Lane Haygood wrote:
>>> The Scottish Play, if you please. I'll not have you bringing ill
>>> fortune on us all.
>>>
>>> yvt,
>>> LH
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 9, 2011 at 7:38 PM, David Stockhoff<dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> A simpler explanation of Typhon's remark is that he was born as Silk was
>>>> born, i.e., from a surrogate mother.
>>>>
>>>> Recall Macbeth, where the witches' prophecy "not of woman born" was
>>>> fulfilled by a cesarean birth. Surely Typhon outdoes Macduff (we are not
>>>> much impressed by c-sections today) but probably it doesn't need to be by
>>>> much. Perhaps he was grown in a vat and "decanted" or even genetically
>>>> "designed," but he'd still need a human body to parasitize.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/9/2011 6:49 PM, larry miller wrote:
>>>>> In the Sword of the Lictor Typhon says a few things that seems to
>>>>> indicate an alien origin. He tells  Severian that "I was not born, at
>>>>> least not in the way you mean it".   Also Typhon says that though he
>>>>> has lived a day he has sent his thoughts to far places, seemingly
>>>>> making contact with the megatherians.  This seems very similiar to the
>>>>> astral abilities possessed by the Nieghbors.  Was Cillinia born on the
>>>>> Whorl or Urth?  Perhaps she has a saints name because she was fathered
>>>>> by Piaton and then later adopted by the alien Monarch?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/9/11, Andrew Mason<andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com>     wrote:
>>>>>> Larry Miller wrote:
>>>>>>> On first read I imagined Typhon as human native of Urth.  But Wolfes
>>>>>>> naming strategum points at Typhon being of alien origin.
>>>>>> I don't think it does, really. It's not humans, as such, but
>>>>>> Commonwealth citizens who have saint's names; Ash, for instance, or
>>>>>> Loyal to the Group of Seventeen don't. (Also Baldanders seems to be
>>>>>> human in origin but to have adopted a monstrous name when he became a
>>>>>> monster.)  And this principle is carried on into Long Sun/Short Sun;
>>>>>> people born in the Commonwealth region on Urth (Mamelta, Roger) have
>>>>>> saints' names, though no one else does. Also, here Typhon's daughter
>>>>>> has a saint's name - Cilinia - which seems to imply that she is human.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know if Typhon is an Urthling, or an off-earth human from one
>>>>>> of the planets settled during the first empire; but I don't think he's
>>>>>> totally alien.
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