(urth) Pike's Ghost

[Sergei SOLOVIEV]

We still can ask whether Baldanders and Talos had chosen their names
themselves (or Baldanders had chosen for Talos) - implicitly, for ordinary
people in Wolfe's worlds the names are chosen by parents, but for
extraordinary people? It is naive to think that Wolfe just has chosen
the mythological names - he may want to say that the personages have
chosen these names and this says something about their character.

Sergei Soloviev

Larry Miller wrote:
> Yes Agia, Agilus, and Casdoe are saints.  Baldanders and Talos are
> mythic names and that seems to fit with thier natures as Baldanders
> has become more than human and Talos is a homunculus.  As to whether
> Typhon and Ceryx chose those names themselves, who knows?
>
> On 11/27/11, Sergei SOLOVIEV <soloviev at irit.fr> wrote:
>   
>> As to the names, it may be that given names are mostly the names of the
>> saints,
>> but the names chosen for themselves by "actively evil" (or
>> anti-religious) people
>> are not - Typhon, Ceryx may be such names. Baldanders as well, or Dr. Talos.
>> Why do you think they are names
>> given at birth? By the way, are "Casdoe", "Agia",
>> "Agilus" the names of the saints?
>>
>> Sergei Soloviev
>>
>> Larry Miller wrote:
>>     
>>> While Jonas isnt a saintly name it is derived from the bible.  As to
>>> your other point all the human characters that are from
>>> pre-Conciliator era such as Declan, Hadelin,  Zama,  Herena, even Ymar
>>> all named after saints.  Ceryx the Necromancer who also possesses some
>>> mental abilities and who is also probably from off-world bears a
>>> mythological name. Wolfes naming scheme still sticks.
>>>
>>> On 11/27/11, Marc Aramini <marcaramini at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> --- On Sun, 11/27/11, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> I think your reasoning is spot on, larry. If Wolfe wanted
>>>>> us to think
>>>>>
>>>>> of Typhon as a normal, Commonwealthy sort of human he would
>>>>> have been
>>>>>
>>>>> given a saint name. Other non-human aliens are given Roman
>>>>> names like
>>>>>
>>>>> Inire, Cumaean, Barbatus and Famulimus. Alien monsters are
>>>>> given monster
>>>>>
>>>>> names from mythology like Abaia, Erebus and Scylla. Why
>>>>> should Typhon not
>>>>>
>>>>> follow the same rules?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> The only thing here is that he is from pre-conciliator times (as was
>>>> Jonas)
>>>> so it is not clear whether his alien name is indicative of his nature or
>>>> the
>>>> time he was named and alive.  Admittedly, Jonas was not entirely organic,
>>>> but his OT name is distinct from the saint's names, so the naming system
>>>> on
>>>> pre-conciliator relics and leftovers like Typhon (who could have even
>>>> assumed the name in his pretension to godhood as he ascended to temporal
>>>> authority) is a wee bit ambiguous.
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