(urth) vanished people=Hieros

[Marc Aramini]

Sure, resonance, but to me, a personal friend of Wolfe, for Green not to really be Urth, Gene had to be making a terrible joke on Christmas to a fan who pretty much worships him.  

So, no matter what, for me, Green is always going to be Urth and Gene is always going to be my friend.  Maybe I can't prove it, but the resonance with Nessus, the mechanism, and his words to me make it as concrete as it can possibly be, so ... what does the mere resonance do if the reality tells us the entire future of Urth?  What does that resonance do that the reality doesn't?  What's the point?

--- On Wed, 11/9/11, Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Dan'l Danehy-Oakes <danldo at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) vanished people=Hieros
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, November 9, 2011, 11:32 AM
> David Stockhoff wrote:
> 
> > The word your argument is missing here, Marc, is
> "iconic." That rocket
> > lander is iconic. It means something in the Sun Cycle:
> it is itself. To
> > recognize it on Green it is to understand either that
> there is a spacefaring
> > civilization in Briah that builds cities out of
> rockets or that this is
> > Nessus. It's like the Statue of Liberty in Planet of
> the Apes.
> 
> This is absolutely correct. There is clearly a
> _relationship_ between
> the tower-lander on Green and the tower-lander in Nessus.
> But what
> that relationship is remains indeterminate.
> 
> Some want to see it as one of identity. Clearly possible,
> but far from
> established.
> 
> I suggest that it is one of _resonance_. The tower on Green
> resonates
> with the tower in Nessus.
> 
> Samuel R. Delany writes in one of his essays that he
> insisted on
> keeping a passage in one of his books where a character's
> foot slips
> on a stone in a river, though it had no obvious
> consequences. Why?
> Because, Delany explains, there is another passage in the
> story where
> another character steps on the same stone and does _not_
> slip. There
> is a resonance between those two passages, which generates
> discourse
> between them and so a kind of meaning.
> 
> I think Wolfe creates this kind of meaning a lot.
> 
> -- 
> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes
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