(urth) Wolfe's brilliance or my denseness?
Sergei SOLOVIEV
soloviev at irit.fr
Sun May 22 09:39:09 PDT 2011
Dear Nathan,
I think, yes, it is valid inference. As far as I remember, something is said
on this subject later, not only by Hierodules - and there is also
healing of Triskele -
and in the 5-th book Severian travels to the deep past, as Apu-Punchau,
and he is connected there already with his White Fountain -
Sergei
Nathan C. Tresch wrote:
> A question arising from Jerry's post...
>
> Later in the series the Hierodules inform Severian that the claw is
> actually just a gem with no special powers, so from that I inferred
> that Severian was already connected to the coming of the new sun and
> the power he had was not connected to the claw at all. Does this seem
> like a valid inference?
>
> On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 5:31 AM, Sergei SOLOVIEV <soloviev at irit.fr
> <mailto:soloviev at irit.fr>> wrote:
>
> I noticed that Cas and Dorcas means the same person at the first
> reading,
> but of course I didn't guess that she is the grandmother of
> Severian until
> the end of the 4-th book.
>
> - Did you realize what Hildegrin is doing at this lake?
>
> - At some point I noticed that the Lake of Birds reminds very much
> the Dante's Inferno
> filled by water, there is even a hint that something can penetrate
> into it from the other
> side of Urth (the Hell in Dante's poem is connected by a channel
> to the opposite side
> of the Earth where the mountain of Purgatory stands). There is
> also the
> cave of the Cumaean. The space-time in Botanic Gardens is twisted
> (remember
> Jungle Garden - there the path is apparently going through time as
> well).
>
> best
>
> Sergei Soloviev
>
> Jason H wrote:
>
> Did you know "Cas" was Dorcas right away?
>
> I didn't. When I read these books the first time, I didn't
> realize that Dorcas had been one of the lake's dead until it
> was spelled out in the third book, and didn't realize she was
> the sought-after Cas until the fourth book. I read these books
> pretty carefully-- I knew the towers were rockets right away,
> I picked up on little inconsistencies in the narrative... but
> I missed this connection completely.
>
> In retrospect, it's totally obvious! The chapter in Shadow is
> called "Dorcas", for heaven's sake, and we're told someone is
> looking for a "Cas", and then a mysterious Dorcas appears. How
> can I not have immediately realized who she was? Of course,
> the first time through, we don't even know he has the Claw on
> him (let alone what it can do), and it's perhaps unintuitive
> to mentally pair the old man with the young Dorcas.
>
> So I'm really curious to know whether I was just being dense,
> or whether Wolfe was being particularly brilliant-- and
> audacious-- by setting up a connection which he somehow knew
> people wouldn't make right away, despite its obviousness later on.
>
> I'm therefore curious to know: Was this obvious to you back in
> Shadow as soon as Dorcas appeared?
>
>
> -Jason
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