(urth) the prime calcula/his citadel and other quotes

[Gerry Quinn]

From: "James Wynn" <crushtv at gmail.com>
>
>>> Mamelta was a sleeper and all the sleeper had had their memories tweaked 
>>> like the Cargo. She didn't even remember Typhon's real name. To her, he 
>>> was Pas.

>> Gerry Quinn-
>> No - she calls him the Monarch.  and she remembers Molpe, although 
>> evidently not by that name:  "One was small, the Monarch's second 
>> daughter...  I remember seeing her often at home, dancing through my 
>> dreams." She doesn't use any of the names of Typhon or his family as far 
>> as I can see, but she seems to remember them quite clearly.
>
> Sure she does. So does Rigoglio. He's well aware that the gods walked 
> among them as men. What of it?
> Do you really believe Mamelta was unique in not having her memory altered?

She remembered them clearly.  She said so (at least regarding Molpe, and she 
didn't suggest that while Molpe's image was clear, that of the Monarch was a 
blur).  She would have known Typhon's face.  She would have reacted when a 
clone of Typhon was the first person she encountered on waking.


>>> And when she remembered him, she thought of what they saw in the Sacred 
>>> Windows.
>>
>> Where does she indicate that?
>
> That's the way _all_ the sleepers remembered the Typhon family-- as gods. 
> The sleepers had no real advantage over the wakers.

Could you be more specific, please?  How does Mamelta indicate that?


>> Also, I had forgotten: Echidna!  When she possesses Marble she has a 
>> confrontation with Silk.  There is no indication there that he is a clone 
>> of Pas either.
>
> And don't forget Cilinia. If you're trying to convince yourself, I don't 
> think you needed any help. I don't see Wolfe's writings the way you do. I 
> don't think you get him, but apparently his works can be enjoyed on that 
> level.

Cilinia too, indeed.  But tell me, so, that I may learn to appreciate Wolfe 
at your level - how do you explain Echidna's apparently total lack of 
acknowledgement that she was speaking to a clone of Typhon while she went on 
about various other unrelated matters?

- Gerry Quinn