(urth) Wolfe as Heretic

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Wed May 19 16:06:31 PDT 2010


Just about everybody believes in the existence of supernatural powers.

Some people consistently assert that they do not, and some fewer people
have convinced themselves that they do not.

Not believing in supernatural powers is only a win if they don't actually
exist.

.


> James Wynn wrote:
>
>> The Fathers and the Biblical Prophets seem to have all agreed that
>> sacrifices to these powers is without practical value. This is
>> different from Latro's world.
>>
>> Is it heretical to believe that that magic (defined as prayers and
>> sacrifices powers who are not God) *works" even if you believe it is
>> something that is wrong or hurtful to do? .I met a Christian erstwhile
>> fortune-teller who said it definitely did work for him. But he wasn't
>> a theologian and his opinions on the source of its efficacy were more
>> like Paul's than Wolfe's; so, I guess that doesn't really prove
>> anything.
>
> Again generally speaking, most pre-modern christians believed in the
> existence of supernatural powers. There wasn't nor isn't anything
> heretical
> about that. The thing is that christians believe such powers are as
> nothing
> in comparison to God, or can't even be compared. Certainly 'sorcery' can
> work if the being it is addressed to has the will and power to answer - in
> an extreme example, if Satan can operate in the World, why not also
> through
> answering such calls for assistance as are made to him?
>
> The reason magic arts are condemned is certainly not because of their
> inneffectiveness, but their tainted nature of commerce with demons.
>
> But there is also something in Christianity about demons being essentially
> powerless against wary and confident christians. Going all the way up to
> considering demons extinct at this time and age. For the modern common
> christian, it's as if God had willed all such beings out of existence, and
> to hint otherwise sounds like questioning God or God's powers - which may
> be
> why at first sight people may think that admitting the existence of such
> beings is heretical.
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