(urth) traveling north

Thu Jun 3 09:44:18 PDT 2010

Probably isn't.

I make stuff up quite frequently.

.

> I'm fairly sure that your last sentence is not correct.  There are
> approximately 1.5 billion Muslims, but there are also approximately 2
> billion Christians (estimates range from 1.9 to 2.2 per a quick scan
> of the wiki).  There are only about 14 million Mormons.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:20 PM,  <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> I think it is more accurate to say that the previous civilizations of
>> Europe were replaced by Christianized versions of themselves.
>> Christianity, especially Catholic Christianity is extraordinarily
>> adaptable, and you find local religions (as among the Yaqui of southern
>> Arizona and Sonora) that are completely Christian and also strongly
>> henolatric (eg
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaqui#Yaqui_cosmology_and_religion).
>>
>> Christianity, if you include all of its many branches and sects, is
>> indeed
>> the World's largest religion. That's including the Mormons, who I think
>> of
>> as a third branch of Christianity, and who think of themselves (of
>> course)
>> as the True Church, but are thought of by many Christians including some
>> Mormons as something other.
>>
>> If you exclude the Mormons (there are a lot of Mormons), Islam (in its
>> several branches and sects) is the World's largest religion.
>>
>> .
>>
>>> I certainly think that Europe was civilized by Christianity, yes.
>>>
>>> As a factual matter, Christianity is the world's largest religion.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pedro Pereira
>>> <domus_artemis at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Severian travelled back in time and became the Conciliator. So the
>>>> Jesus
>>>> "equivalent" already happened in Urth's past. And maybe Jesus too
>>>> further in
>>>> the past, and maybe Severian and the drowning of the World is the
>>>> Second
>>>> Coming or something. I don't know, I don't really know much about this
>>>> kind
>>>> of stuff, I'm not even religious.
>>>>
>>>> I don't really know but I don't think I can agree with this:
>>>>
>>>> "The Urth we are reading about
>>>> is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
>>>> spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
>>>> plagued our pagan ancestors."
>>>>
>>>> Do the believers among you really believe that Humanity is much
>>>> "enlightened" now than it was at the time of our "pagan ancestors"
>>>> (not
>>>> to
>>>> mention that Christianism isn't even the biggest religion around)? Is
>>>> that
>>>> what Wolfe is going for in these books? I don't know,
>>>> but Severian/Conciliator rings like "Jesus" (probably second comming)
>>>> to
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:53:32 -0400
>>>>> From: brunians at brunians.org
>>>>> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>>>>> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>>>>>
>>>>> Severian is the Conciliator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or am I missing something?
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already
>>>>> > happened in the past of Urth.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400
>>>>> >> From: eugene.zar at gmail.com
>>>>> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman
>>>>> <severiansola at hotmail.com>
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually
>>>>> >> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly
>>>>> >> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,
>>>>> >> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about
>>>>> >> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
>>>>> >> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
>>>>> >> > plagued our pagan ancestors.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to
>>>>> me
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically
>>>>> >> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.
>>>>> >> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent
>>>>> >> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in
>>>>> >> part, show where the spiritual path you claim is lacking leads:
>>>>> >> salvation.
>>>>> >>
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