(urth) traveling north

[John Watkins]

I'm fairly sure that your last sentence is not correct.  There are
approximately 1.5 billion Muslims, but there are also approximately 2
billion Christians (estimates range from 1.9 to 2.2 per a quick scan
of the wiki).  There are only about 14 million Mormons.



On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:20 PM,  <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
> I think it is more accurate to say that the previous civilizations of
> Europe were replaced by Christianized versions of themselves.
> Christianity, especially Catholic Christianity is extraordinarily
> adaptable, and you find local religions (as among the Yaqui of southern
> Arizona and Sonora) that are completely Christian and also strongly
> henolatric (eg
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaqui#Yaqui_cosmology_and_religion).
>
> Christianity, if you include all of its many branches and sects, is indeed
> the World's largest religion. That's including the Mormons, who I think of
> as a third branch of Christianity, and who think of themselves (of course)
> as the True Church, but are thought of by many Christians including some
> Mormons as something other.
>
> If you exclude the Mormons (there are a lot of Mormons), Islam (in its
> several branches and sects) is the World's largest religion.
>
> .
>
>> I certainly think that Europe was civilized by Christianity, yes.
>>
>> As a factual matter, Christianity is the world's largest religion.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pedro Pereira
>> <domus_artemis at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> Severian travelled back in time and became the Conciliator. So the Jesus
>>> "equivalent" already happened in Urth's past. And maybe Jesus too
>>> further in
>>> the past, and maybe Severian and the drowning of the World is the Second
>>> Coming or something. I don't know, I don't really know much about this
>>> kind
>>> of stuff, I'm not even religious.
>>>
>>> I don't really know but I don't think I can agree with this:
>>>
>>> "The Urth we are reading about
>>> is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
>>> spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
>>> plagued our pagan ancestors."
>>>
>>> Do the believers among you really believe that Humanity is much
>>> "enlightened" now than it was at the time of our "pagan ancestors" (not
>>> to
>>> mention that Christianism isn't even the biggest religion around)? Is
>>> that
>>> what Wolfe is going for in these books? I don't know,
>>> but Severian/Conciliator rings like "Jesus" (probably second comming) to
>>> me.
>>>
>>>> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:53:32 -0400
>>>> From: brunians at brunians.org
>>>> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>>>> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>>>>
>>>> Severian is the Conciliator.
>>>>
>>>> Or am I missing something?
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already
>>>> > happened in the past of Urth.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400
>>>> >> From: eugene.zar at gmail.com
>>>> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>>>> >> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman
>>>> <severiansola at hotmail.com>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually
>>>> >> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly
>>>> >> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,
>>>> >> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about
>>>> >> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
>>>> >> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
>>>> >> > plagued our pagan ancestors.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to me
>>>> to
>>>> >> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically
>>>> >> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.
>>>> >> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent
>>>> >> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in
>>>> >> part, show where the spiritual path you claim is lacking leads:
>>>> >> salvation.
>>>> >>
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