(urth) traveling north

[John Watkins]

I certainly think that Europe was civilized by Christianity, yes.

As a factual matter, Christianity is the world's largest religion.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Pedro Pereira
<domus_artemis at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Severian travelled back in time and became the Conciliator. So the Jesus
> "equivalent" already happened in Urth's past. And maybe Jesus too further in
> the past, and maybe Severian and the drowning of the World is the Second
> Coming or something. I don't know, I don't really know much about this kind
> of stuff, I'm not even religious.
>
> I don't really know but I don't think I can agree with this:
>
> "The Urth we are reading about
> is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
> spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
> plagued our pagan ancestors."
>
> Do the believers among you really believe that Humanity is much
> "enlightened" now than it was at the time of our "pagan ancestors" (not to
> mention that Christianism isn't even the biggest religion around)? Is that
> what Wolfe is going for in these books? I don't know,
> but Severian/Conciliator rings like "Jesus" (probably second comming) to me.
>
>> Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 05:53:32 -0400
>> From: brunians at brunians.org
>> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>>
>> Severian is the Conciliator.
>>
>> Or am I missing something?
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> >
>> > I agree. The Conciliator was the "jesus" of Urth. And that already
>> > happened in the past of Urth.
>> >
>> >> Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:00:40 -0400
>> >> From: eugene.zar at gmail.com
>> >> To: urth at lists.urth.net
>> >> Subject: Re: (urth) traveling north
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > FWIW, my opinion is that Urth is presented as less spiritually
>> >> > advanced than Earth, notably lacking two important earthly
>> >> > spiritual events, The Flood and the Coming of Jesus. Thus,
>> >> > Severian has his roles to play. The Urth we are reading about
>> >> > is much older than our current Earth but being stunted in its
>> >> > spiritual growth is still troubled by some of the ills which
>> >> > plagued our pagan ancestors.
>> >>
>> >> Wasn't the Conciliator the Jesus-like figure? Severian seemed to me to
>> >> be very much non-divine. Quite the opposite, he very specifically
>> >> comes from a very dark place, and rises to his status as savior.
>> >> Severian's respect for the Increate and the sun itself is apparent
>> >> early in the book, so I suspect Severian's story was meant to, in
>> >> part, show where the spiritual path you claim is lacking leads:
>> >> salvation.
>> >>
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