(urth) Appearances of Inire

[David Stockhoff]

Exactly.

Similarly, but beyond the scope of this list, is Yahweh lawfully in 
charge of a creation he created, or not?

2 x 2 = 4 possible variations: lawful creation, lawful governance, 
unlawful usurpation of creation, unlawful usurpation of creative powers. 
See TBotLS.

John Watkins wrote:
> Right. 
>  
> Although now I will say such a thing.  Tzadkiel presents himself not 
> as the Outsider but as His agent.  Arguably the most important 
> question of the series is whether Tzadkiel is lying.  I think there 
> are in fact three options:
>  
> 1)  Tzadkiel is, like a Christian archangel, more or less in direct 
> contact with the will of the deity.  Thus he/she is to be completely 
> trusted and is a more or less incontrovertible moral authority.
> 2)  Tzadkiel is a creepy insectoid alien thing and a liar.  The 
> pretentions of religion are a means of controlling the human race.
> 3)  Tzadkiel is a "higher" being in some meaningful sense but remains 
> metaphysically removed from the divine, like the angel in "The Cock 
> and the Angel."  His/her belief in the Increate and desire to do its 
> will is sincere, and to that end he/she is just doing the best he/she 
> can, but like the angel in the story Tzadkiel remains fallible and 
> infinitely removed from the mind of the Increate.
>  
> I go back and forth between 2) and 3) myself.
>  
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 AM, David Stockhoff 
> <dstockhoff at verizon.net <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>> wrote:
>
>     No one said anyone was pretending anything. It was a general
>     theoretical observation.
>
>     brunians at brunians.org <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>
>         Who usurping where?
>
>         Which archon is pretending to be the Outsider? Tzadkiel?
>
>         I don't think so.
>
>         .
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>             No, the definition of usurping demands it. So does the
>             concept of a
>             local archon pretending to be the Outsider. You can
>             explain it any way
>             you want, but that's the concept.
>
>             Think Tolkien.
>
>             brunians at brunians.org <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
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>                 Maybe for you.
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>                 .
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>                     The question, then, is whether such delegation
>                     occurred---or not.
>
>                     brunians at brunians.org
>                     <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
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>                         I don't buy it.
>
>                         God delegates all the time.
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>                         .
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>                             Precisely.
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>                             Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
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>                                 On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jeff
>                                 Wilson <jwilson at io.com
>                                 <mailto:jwilson at io.com>>
>                                 wrote:
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>                                              
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>                                         Jeff Wilson wrote (30-06-2010
>                                         16:04):
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>                                             On 6/30/2010 9:24 AM,
>                                             James Wynn wrote:
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>                                         There's that thing about only
>                                         God being creator.
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>                                     How is that relevant here? Do you
>                                     prefer that people use "assemble"
>                                     instead of "create"?
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>                                 It's relevant because a race that
>                                 creates a (slave) race is usurping
>                                 the privilege of the Creator -- is in
>                                 fact acting in daemonic
>                                 manner.
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