(urth) Tzadkiel/Melek Taus
David Stockhoff
dstockhoff at verizon.net
Mon Jul 12 16:44:04 PDT 2010
I assume that there are so few "people" left on Urth (subtract the
not-quite-human and failed Ascians, who may well control the rest of the
planet, and some outlying tribes) that this is not a real concern.
António Pedro Marques wrote:
> This is worth pursuing but I think there are a number of problems with
> it.
>
> If Tzadkiel is honest, his intent is to renew the planet and give
> Humanity a new chance. If there is an afterlife then drowning almost
> everyone isn't such a catastrophe as it might seem. The fact is that
> the world is in dire need of moral cleansing, not only terraforming,
> and I don't see how you achieve the former without some global
> disaster that at once decimates the population and changes the natural
> environment. The new world will have a chance to be good.
>
> If Tzadkiel is a liar, then I don't see what does he gain by
> destroying the world. Sure, he could do it out of sheer evilness, but
> I don't find it convincing that he would take all that trouble just to
> have a 5 minute massacre sport. We tend to associate evil with
> selfishness, and to annihilate your potential servants makes little
> sense selfishly. And if the intent is to take pleasure in killing
> them, then a global drowning is possibly one of the least interesting
> methods - quick and clean. If otoh he wishes to wipe out Humanity for
> whatever reason, giving a renewed planet to a reduced population seems
> to run counter to the objective.
>
> Moreover, if Tzadkiel could send the new sun to destroy the world, why
> not just do it without all the hocus pocus? And if he didn't have that
> power all by himself, then whoever did have the power is calling the
> shots, not Tzakdiel.
>
> You mention Severian could have asked for the population to be
> evacuated. Well, could the building of the Whorl have been done not
> out of fear that the sun would die out, but that the flood could be
> irreparably deleterious? And where would you take all those wicked
> people, and how would you reform them? If it were easy, what would a
> new Earth be needed for? In the dying earth future, my impression is
> that the population had been steadily declining for ages.
>
> Does Severian not asking for an evacuation imply that he is evil as
> well? I suppose your idea is that he is so embroiled in Tzadkiel's way
> of presenting things that such a question doesn't even cross his mind.
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