(urth) Appearances of Inire

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He's rich and chocalatey
He's my boyfriend
Satan, Satan, whee!

-- Anonhymnous

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> Exactly.
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> Similarly, but beyond the scope of this list, is Yahweh lawfully in
> charge of a creation he created, or not?
>
> 2 x 2 = 4 possible variations: lawful creation, lawful governance,
> unlawful usurpation of creation, unlawful usurpation of creative powers.
> See TBotLS.
>
> John Watkins wrote:
>> Right.
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>> Although now I will say such a thing.  Tzadkiel presents himself not
>> as the Outsider but as His agent.  Arguably the most important
>> question of the series is whether Tzadkiel is lying.  I think there
>> are in fact three options:
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>> 1)  Tzadkiel is, like a Christian archangel, more or less in direct
>> contact with the will of the deity.  Thus he/she is to be completely
>> trusted and is a more or less incontrovertible moral authority.
>> 2)  Tzadkiel is a creepy insectoid alien thing and a liar.  The
>> pretentions of religion are a means of controlling the human race.
>> 3)  Tzadkiel is a "higher" being in some meaningful sense but remains
>> metaphysically removed from the divine, like the angel in "The Cock
>> and the Angel."  His/her belief in the Increate and desire to do its
>> will is sincere, and to that end he/she is just doing the best he/she
>> can, but like the angel in the story Tzadkiel remains fallible and
>> infinitely removed from the mind of the Increate.
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>> I go back and forth between 2) and 3) myself.
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>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 AM, David Stockhoff
>> <dstockhoff at verizon.net <mailto:dstockhoff at verizon.net>> wrote:
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>>     No one said anyone was pretending anything. It was a general
>>     theoretical observation.
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>>     brunians at brunians.org <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
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>>         Who usurping where?
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>>         Which archon is pretending to be the Outsider? Tzadkiel?
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>>         I don't think so.
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>>         .
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>>             No, the definition of usurping demands it. So does the
>>             concept of a
>>             local archon pretending to be the Outsider. You can
>>             explain it any way
>>             you want, but that's the concept.
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>>             Think Tolkien.
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>>             brunians at brunians.org <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
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>>                 Maybe for you.
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>>                 .
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>>                     The question, then, is whether such delegation
>>                     occurred---or not.
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>>                     brunians at brunians.org
>>                     <mailto:brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
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>>                         I don't buy it.
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>>                         God delegates all the time.
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>>                         .
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>>                             Precisely.
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>>                             Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
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>>                                 On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jeff
>>                                 Wilson <jwilson at io.com
>>                                 <mailto:jwilson at io.com>>
>>                                 wrote:
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>>                                         Jeff Wilson wrote (30-06-2010
>>                                         16:04):
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>>                                             On 6/30/2010 9:24 AM,
>>                                             James Wynn wrote:
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>>                                         There's that thing about only
>>                                         God being creator.
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>>                                     How is that relevant here? Do you
>>                                     prefer that people use "assemble"
>>                                     instead of "create"?
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>>                                 It's relevant because a race that
>>                                 creates a (slave) race is usurping
>>                                 the privilege of the Creator -- is in
>>                                 fact acting in daemonic
>>                                 manner.
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