(urth) Appearances of Inire

[David Stockhoff]

#1 could be phrased more strongly, deleting "more or less" and using the 
words "infallible" and "definitely in direct contact." That would be 
more distinct.

As I understand it.

brunians at brunians.org wrote:
> There is no meaningful difference between one and three.
>
> .
>
>
>   
>> Right.
>>
>> Although now I will say such a thing.  Tzadkiel presents himself not as
>> the
>> Outsider but as His agent.  Arguably the most important question of the
>> series is whether Tzadkiel is lying.  I think there are in fact three
>> options:
>>
>> 1)  Tzadkiel is, like a Christian archangel, more or less in direct
>> contact
>> with the will of the deity.  Thus he/she is to be completely trusted and
>> is
>> a more or less incontrovertible moral authority.
>> 2)  Tzadkiel is a creepy insectoid alien thing and a liar.  The
>> pretentions
>> of religion are a means of controlling the human race.
>> 3)  Tzadkiel is a "higher" being in some meaningful sense but remains
>> metaphysically removed from the divine, like the angel in "The Cock and
>> the
>> Angel."  His/her belief in the Increate and desire to do its will is
>> sincere, and to that end he/she is just doing the best he/she can, but
>> like
>> the angel in the story Tzadkiel remains fallible and infinitely removed
>> from
>> the mind of the Increate.
>>
>> I go back and forth between 2) and 3) myself.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 AM, David Stockhoff
>> <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> No one said anyone was pretending anything. It was a general theoretical
>>> observation.
>>>
>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>>  Who usurping where?
>>>>
>>>> Which archon is pretending to be the Outsider? Tzadkiel?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> No, the definition of usurping demands it. So does the concept of a
>>>>> local archon pretending to be the Outsider. You can explain it any way
>>>>> you want, but that's the concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> Think Tolkien.
>>>>>
>>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Maybe for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> The question, then, is whether such delegation occurred---or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>> I don't buy it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> God delegates all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>                 
>>>>>>>>> Precisely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Wilson wrote (30-06-2010 16:04):
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2010 9:24 AM, James Wynn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's that thing about only God being creator.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                         
>>>>>>>>>>> How is that relevant here? Do you prefer that people use
>>>>>>>>>>> "assemble"
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of "create"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                       
>>>>>>>>>> It's relevant because a race that creates a (slave) race is
>>>>>>>>>> usurping
>>>>>>>>>> the privilege of the Creator -- is in fact acting in daemonic
>>>>>>>>>> manner.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>                     
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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