(urth) Appearances of Inire

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Thu Jul 1 05:28:26 PDT 2010


Three for me.

.


> Right.
>
> Although now I will say such a thing.  Tzadkiel presents himself not as
> the
> Outsider but as His agent.  Arguably the most important question of the
> series is whether Tzadkiel is lying.  I think there are in fact three
> options:
>
> 1)  Tzadkiel is, like a Christian archangel, more or less in direct
> contact
> with the will of the deity.  Thus he/she is to be completely trusted and
> is
> a more or less incontrovertible moral authority.
> 2)  Tzadkiel is a creepy insectoid alien thing and a liar.  The
> pretentions
> of religion are a means of controlling the human race.
> 3)  Tzadkiel is a "higher" being in some meaningful sense but remains
> metaphysically removed from the divine, like the angel in "The Cock and
> the
> Angel."  His/her belief in the Increate and desire to do its will is
> sincere, and to that end he/she is just doing the best he/she can, but
> like
> the angel in the story Tzadkiel remains fallible and infinitely removed
> from
> the mind of the Increate.
>
> I go back and forth between 2) and 3) myself.
>
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 AM, David Stockhoff
> <dstockhoff at verizon.net>wrote:
>
>> No one said anyone was pretending anything. It was a general theoretical
>> observation.
>>
>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>
>>>  Who usurping where?
>>>
>>> Which archon is pretending to be the Outsider? Tzadkiel?
>>>
>>> I don't think so.
>>>
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> No, the definition of usurping demands it. So does the concept of a
>>>> local archon pretending to be the Outsider. You can explain it any way
>>>> you want, but that's the concept.
>>>>
>>>> Think Tolkien.
>>>>
>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The question, then, is whether such delegation occurred---or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't buy it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God delegates all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Precisely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dan'l Danehy-Oakes wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Jeff Wilson <jwilson at io.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jeff Wilson wrote (30-06-2010 16:04):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/30/2010 9:24 AM, James Wynn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's that thing about only God being creator.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How is that relevant here? Do you prefer that people use
>>>>>>>>>> "assemble"
>>>>>>>>>> instead of "create"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's relevant because a race that creates a (slave) race is
>>>>>>>>> usurping
>>>>>>>>> the privilege of the Creator -- is in fact acting in daemonic
>>>>>>>>> manner.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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