(urth) plantary problems

[Marc Aramini]

See, this Green is Urth thing is a messy messy can of worms for some reason given what we don't really understand about Silk's powers.  Sorry, my fault.  The implications are chaotic and bizarre, but for all my solutions I prefer to look for evidence with quotes, which I agree are more often than not ambiguous in Wolfe.  So we do have in the text a saying that Silk can enter other people's stories and change them, which is bizarre, like he is a nexus for the creation of mythic reality or something.

But as far as the mechanism goes, yes, obviously, Rigoglio was thinking about Urth, but Silk was thinking about Green.  That was the mechanism I was missing when I thought Blue was Urth, obviously,  there was no thought or motivation from Silk to indicate he was going to Blue.  That scene outright says the guy in charge of the translation through space wanted to go to Green.  So given the description of the city and its sewers and its towers and the retold myth of Severian there, I think that is pointing toward a physical contiguity  with Urth.  I don't have a problem with the Vanished people because they are just the next stage of people in this schemata.  
 
Now Blue is causing all sorts of problems, and I just don't know what to make of the weird conjunction between the two planets either.
 
I hope someday Wolfe publishes something that will shed light on whether he viewed Severian as a salvific figure or something quite a bit more sinister, and how the white fountain altered the cosmology (or astronomy I guess) of Urth, but that is a vain hope.
 
--- On Tue, 12/28/10, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com>
Subject: (urth) plantary problems
To: urth at lists.urth.net
Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 9:31 AM



>James Wynn: I'm not crazy about Lee's postulation either. If Nessus is connected to 
>the distant cities of Green, why is it not connected to any city in the 
>galaxy that has a mirror in it?

Hm. Things are spiralling out of control here. I guess the connection could be a mirror
though I was thinking more along the lines of a permanent dream-travel connection (in
contrast to the temporary dream-travel connections made by The Cumaean and Silk-Horn)

I don't think it matters. Nor do "any" other cities or planets in the galaxy matter;
Wolfe doesn't mention them, they don't exist; not in the labyrinth of his stories, 
anyway. If Dr. Talos can create a cosmic opus using only five actors, Dr. Wolfe can
create one using only five heavenly bodies, Urth, Yesod, The Whorl, Blue and Green.
(I don't include Lune because nobody goes there.)  


For me, Marc addresses the key question: 

>I think we need to look at what caused the deluge.

But I don't think the relevant answer is astronomical. It is Biblical. The Flood was caused
by the "Sons Of God and the Nephilim".  "Fallen angels and giants". "Demons and Men Of Reknown". 
By whatever name these things are called (e.g. inhumi and godlings, Inire and Baldanders). They 
show up repeatedly in the Sun Series and I don't see how they can be ignored in a story where
Floods are a recurring theme.

(I'm not making this stuff up. I swear! http://www.gotquestions.org/Nephilim.html


If there is a connection between Urth and Green I can't imagine it being just for fun. There has
to be a thematic purpose to it. I can't remember where the "are Inhumi on Urth?" discussion went
but not far enough, imho. Was Quetzal's origin discussed? Urth's populace knows of manatees but 
only a few know what they really are. I think even fewer know the truth about those elusive blood 
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