(urth) Dionysus, the mausoleum

James Wynn crushtv at gmail.com
Mon Dec 20 11:41:20 PST 2010


> Marc Aramini -
> My big big big question that needs resolving ASAP is how are Severian 
> and Typhon related?  Silk is Typhon's real biological son, of this I 
> am 99.9% certain (not a clone).
> Silk takes Typhon's daughter Scylla in Oreb back to Sev's childhood 
> mausoleum, which winds up being the crypt of some of Typhon's family.  
> But that is the same mausoleum where Severian used to see his face 
> when he was a child.  SO how is Severian related to Typhon's family, 
> that his face is immortalized in their family resting place?
>

1) It was pretty well proven to me that the mausoleum the Rajan and 
Cilinia visit was not Severian's (which strikes me as odd). Wolfe might 
have made errors describing the tomb, but it would be cheating to assume 
that.

2) FWIW I believe that Silk is a clone of the son of Typhon and Kypris --
In an online discussion with readers at the Sci-Fi channel website, 
someone asked Wolfe to clarify Silk's /ancestry/. NOTE: Not his 
parentage or heritage but his "ancestry". Wolfe replied that "Silk was 
"the son of the Calde and his mistress". That is an incomprehensible 
answer, knowing what we know, unless Wolfe were referring to Typhon and 
his mistress. It was this answer that convinced me that Tussah was a 
clone of Typhon.

I think Silk is probably Fish from the story of Frog. I also strongly 
suspect Fish was a clone of Typhon, which explains the direct 
associations between Silk and Pas throughout The Book of the Long Sun.

u+16b9

> Marc
>
> --- On *Mon, 12/20/10, James Wynn /<crushtv at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: (urth) Dionysus
>     To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
>     Date: Monday, December 20, 2010, 10:18 AM
>
>
>     > Lee Berman-
>     > Yes, I think Marc and James share far more in their theories
>     than they differ. Not only
>     > does Marc share the Horn-Neighbor idea but they share in seeing
>     the significance of trees
>     > and vines, which many do not.
>
>     Yeah, Marc and I (rightly) recognize certain clues _as clues_ that
>     are generally ignored entirely. But from there we radically and
>     irreconcilably diverge. Marc at least DOES try to explain HOW the
>     vines and trees are related to inhumi and Neighbors, while I do
>     not address that question at all. However, I'm in strong
>     disagreement  with him regarding what happens to Horn in that pit
>     and consequently accepting the rest gets problematic. But at least
>     Marc is attempting to look at the text "with open eyes". It seems
>     to me that most people merely ignore half of what is said,
>     referenced, and alluded to in the "The Book of the Short Sun".
>
>     Here is Marc's full theory as of several years ago. He might have
>     tweaked it since then.
>     http://urth.org/whorlmap/chras-writers/marc-aramini1.htm
>
>     u+16b9
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