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[Son of Witz]

On Dec 17, 2010, at 4:30 AM, Andrew Mason <andrew.mason53 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Lee Berman wrote:
> 
> . Since I am not a Christian or religious, it didn't
>> bother me to think that Severian and the story I treasure was not in a Judeo-Christian universe.
> 
> It depends, I think, what we mean by saying that it's not a
> Judaeo-Christian universe. A universe without a saviour? It may be;
> I'm not committed on that. But if we (as Christians) believe in
> universes without a saviour in them, that is because the saving power
> of the Christ in this world extends to them. A universe not made - or
> caused, at least indirectly - by the Judaeo-Christian God? I find it
> very hard to believe that Wolfe would conceive of that. (I mean, he
> might well think 'Suppose God as we know him did not exist, but a
> completely different kind of first principle did'. But I don't think
> he would imagine that within a cycle of universes some of which are
> made by the Judaeo-Christian God, others are not.  God, if he exists
> at all, is all-embracing.)
> 
> It seems to be a running theme of the _Sun_ cycle that while there are
> many beings that can be called gods, there is one true God; and that
> God is often imagined in Christian terms (though I agree he is
> imagined in pagan terms as well).
> 
> The presence of other gods (in some sense) does not count against
> this, I think, because Wolfe believes in the existence of pagan gods
> within this universe, which is made by the Judaeo-Christian God.
> 
> I'm not too political but I am rabidly anti-torture and generally averse to
>> parasitic exploitation of humans by other humans in the manner of chatelaines-khaibits. So, distancing myself
>> from Urth isn't so difficult at all, for me.
> 
> But can we distance ourselves from Urth? Torture exists in our world.
> If kahibits don't, it's just because we don't have the technology;
> exploitation of women, in various forms, does. The Commonwealth is a
> pretty nasty place in many ways, but is it worse than Nazi Germany or
> Stalinist Russia? I think this is just the inherent corruption of
> humanity, not a sign of a godless world.
>> 
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Excellent!