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[Dan'l Danehy-Oakes]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 10:42 AM, James Wynn <crushtv at gmail.com> wrote:

> No Adam and Eve. No Cain & Able. No Garden. No Fall. No world-wide flood. No
> Babel. No "first born" in Genesis, although one could argue that there are
> in the Koran. And while the Eldar are reincarnated continuously until then
> end of the world, humanity escapes the "circle of the world" /but no one
> knows where they go/. There's room to APPEND the Second Covenant on to it
> after the fact, but Earth and Middle Earth arrive there from dramatically
> different places.

Au contraire. The creation and earliest days of humanity take place
off stage, so Adam and Eve and the Garden remain a possibility; and
when humans show up in the Elvish lands it is clear that they _have_
fallen (there is a "shadow" upon them of which they do not speak). And
it doesn't say that "no one" knows where humans go when they die -- it
says that _the Elves_ do not know.


> Eh..as you like. But who they are praying to is problematic given the rest
> of Tolkien's subcreation. Praying to one of the Valar seems the most likely,
> but that is problematic in a Judeo-Christian universe.

They don't actually pray, they just face the West silently.


-- 
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes