(urth) Dionysus and the Outsider

[David Stockhoff]

As someone who is weak on the technicalities of the Trinity, I like 
that. Perhaps Dionysus is the eternal spirit of the Son without having 
had material expression, at least not one Silk can name.

Maybe that would mean something more like Outsider = Ghost with the 
unrealized potential of being the Father, but the 
principles/manifestations of Father and Son are latent in the sense that 
they exist outside of time as well as in at least one other universe, 
but not here in Silk's. Of course, there are practical reasons for Wolfe 
to go easy on the Trinity nomenclature, so there may be no need to parse 
it too closely.

On 12/16/2010 9:09 AM, Craig Brewer wrote:
> Is it also possible that this is a nod to the different aspects of the 
> Trinity that people have been throwing around? We have two gods whose 
> names are forgotten: the Outsider, who might be God the Father. We 
> also have a Son, perhaps Christ...but we get that all mixed up with 
> the remnants of Greek myths as well because of all the mish-mash that 
> Pas made.
>
> The real point of the passage, though, might not be that we're to 
> divine some esoteric relationship between the Greeks and the "real" 
> gods, as has been hashed out. Instead, it might just be to suggest 
> that the real gods (i.e., God and Christ) have been forgotten -- and 
> not having proper names is primarily a way to underline that symbolically.
>
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> *From:* Jerry Friedman <jerry_friedman at yahoo.com>
> *To:* The Urth Mailing List <urth at lists.urth.net>
> *Sent:* Thu, December 16, 2010 8:00:17 AM
> *Subject:* (urth) Dionysus and the Outsider
>
> Sorry, I didn't read a lot of the posts about Dionysus, so I may be 
> duplicating something someone else said.  But people are saying that 
> the Outsider was the son of Thyone, that is, Dionysus.  I read the 
> passage quite differently.  Silk says there are two gods whose names 
> are unknown: the son of Thyone and the Outsider.  So they're two 
> different gods.  They're mentioned together and have anonymity in 
> common, though, so some might draw conclusions from that.
>
> "He [Silk's instructor] also said that Thyone's son was the only god 
> whose name we don't know.  It was years before I realized that he'd 
> been wrong.  We speak of the Outsider//, but it's obvious that 'the 
> Outsider//' can't be his name — that it's an epithet, a nickname ."
>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=-iCIWy8bPccC&pg=PA125#v=onepage&q&f=false 
> <http://books.google.com/books?id=-iCIWy8bPccC&pg=PA125#v=onepage&q&f=false>
>
> That is, the instructor was wrong because he'd forgotten the /other/ 
> god whose name was unknown.
>
> Jerry Friedman
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