(urth) christ, already

[Matthew Weber]

Christ is indeed "Very God of Very God," but Christ didn't alight upon
himself in the form of a dove at his baptism, nor did he speak by
ventriloquism "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."  The
Persons of the Trinity aren't pseudopods of God-stuff extended at need to
fulfill functions; they are separate persons who are all of the same
substance (substantia, ousia).  The Son was incarnate as Jesus; neither the
Father nor the Holy Ghost were ever incarnate.  Christ is God; the Father is
God; the Holy Ghost is God.  But the Father is not Christ, nor is Christ the
Holy Ghost, nor is the Holy Ghost the Father.

We can say that the Outsider is the God we find in Christianity, but to say
that he is Christ makes assumptions about the correspondence of Christianity
to Briah that we don't have data to support.  An argument might be made that
the Conciliator is Christ, although again the details of Urthian religion
are a bit too sketchy to make that very convincing.  On the other hand,
Christ's mission was certainly conciliatory; to repair, by means of his
sacrifice, the broken relationship between God and Man.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Son of Witz <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>wrote:

> Yes, but the Trinity is a unity, and thus makes my statement true, no? We
> can equally say that the Outsider = Christ = God.  Am I wrong?
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Matthew Weber <palaeologos at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Christ is used exclusively in Christianity to refer to the second Person of
> the Trinity.  Nobody refers to the Father or the Holy Ghost as Christ.
>
> Here's a handy photographic mnemonic :
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/aozuas/2404074070/>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/aozuas/2404074070/
>
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Son of Witz <<Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
> Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org> wrote:
>
>> Are you forgetting the tripartite nature of Christ?
>> The Father, The son, and The Holy Ghost.  Christ is an aspect of God and
>> is used by Christians interchangeably with God.
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2010, at 1:20 PM, DAVID STOCKHOFF < <dstockhoff at verizon.net>
>> dstockhoff at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'd say Outsider=God was about as unambiguous as Gene Wolfe gets.
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 12/15/10, Son of Witz < <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org><Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
>> Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Son of Witz < <Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org><Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
>> Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org>
>> Subject: Re: (urth) christ, already
>> To: "The Urth Mailing List" < <urth at lists.urth.net> <urth at lists.urth.net>
>> urth at lists.urth.net>
>> Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 4:12 PM
>> I don't know about Dionysus. I need to read those again, but I thought
>> that Outsider=Christ was about as unambiguous as Gene Wolfe gets.
>>
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> soldier tells his wounds, the shepherd his tale of sheep.
>     Sextus Propertius (54 B.C.-A.D. 2), Elegies, II, i, 43
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Matt +

The seaman's story is of tempest, the plowman's of his team of bulls; the
soldier tells his wounds, the shepherd his tale of sheep.
    Sextus Propertius (54 B.C.-A.D. 2), Elegies, II, i, 43
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