(urth) Father Inire Theory

Son of Witz Sonofwitz at butcherbaker.org
Sat Dec 4 11:40:18 PST 2010


On Dec 4, 2010, at 9:25 AM, Lee Berman <severiansola at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
>> M. ben Witz: Wait a sec. I JUST finished NewSun again and I can not remember the 
>> old boatman in any other scenes besides the near drowning at the beginning and when 
>> we meet him on the Lake of Birds.
> 
> That's an interest post to me Witz. Most do not think the boatman at the drowning is
> the Boatman at the Lake of Birds. I think Borski suggests that the "drowning" old boatman
> is Maxellindis' "Uncle", who is also a boatman, because they both speak of undines. Actually
> all three of these boatmen speak of undines. I wrote it as Maxellindis' "Uncle" because 
> Severian suspects it isn't really her uncle. Thus we have at least two of the boatmen showing
> a creepy fascination for pubescent young women (some calculate Dorcas' age at 13-14 for her
> first birth). So maybe add "creepy poppet fascination" to "monkeys", "old and bent" and "obscured 
> eyes" as marks of a shapeshifter.
> 
> 
> Anyway, at the end of CotA, Severian gets off the Samru and takes a jaunt through the crumbled
> ruins of old Nessus. He finds Dorcas, apparently in silent grief at the bier of the old boatman
> from the Lake of Birds. So we don't actually see him die but he is, in appearance, dead.


Thank you. I forgot this one line reappearance.




>> Ryan Dunn-He is Father Inire and yet not, to my knowledge, a priest. Anyone for Inire as Increate?
> 
> Heh! Actually my theory addresses the issue of "Father" Inire in two ways:
> 
> 1. Inire can be paired with The Cumaean in a number of diffent ways (her abode, their alien nature, etc)
> She is also called The Mother. So perhaps the pairing is related to Inire's appelation of Father.
> 
> 2. I see flimsy evidence (which only makes sense added together) that Inire, using his longevity, has
> managed to get busy with a number of women in Severian's family tree when they were young girls. This
> included Dorcas (as Fechin), Cyriaca (as her cosmicly knowledgable "uncle"), and Agia (as Hethor). 
> Perhaps Inire (which can be Latin for "sexual penetration") gets his title of Father by siring a 
> few members of Severian's family.                         
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Far out man! Maybe too far for me, but it's interesting.


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