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[Dan'l Danehy-Oakes]

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Matthew Weber <palaeologos at gmail.com> wrote:

>> 1) Grace existed before Christ's passion and resurrection, but it did
>> so as a result of Christ's passion and resurrection. Grace always
>> already can be extended to the "virtuous pagan" as well as people like
>> Moses, Elijah, etc.

> To be sure, they weren't punished, but they weren't redeemed either--at
> least not until the Harrowing of Hell, no?

I think this is an error as you are applying "before" and "after" to
states in Eternity, outside of Time.

>> 3) Your soteriology is one common model but not the only one.

> Sure--there are at least 3 other models that I can think of in the
> Cappadocian Fathers, but PSA is the most commonly encountered one in the
> West.  And since I was writing a short response rather than a book... :)

I guess my objection was to your stating it in a manner that sounded
as if you were describing The Standard Christian Model, when there
_is_ no Standard Christian Model...

-- 
Dan'l Danehy-Oakes