(urth) Resurrections
Robert Thornton
oblate777 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 1 18:00:30 PDT 2010
Josh,
When I asked you politely to focus on Wolfe instead of other issues, note that no one condemned you or supported you.
The jury is still out I think. As for my own opinion--count me in, Mr. Stockhoff.
Rob
On Aug 1, 2010, at 8:57 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
> I second John. That's 2.
>
> brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>> The feeling is quiet mutual.
>>
>> Most of us == who? Most of the voices in your head?
>>
>> How do you know that most of the list is just putting up with me?
>>
>> You have taken a survey?
>>
>> Might you publish your results here?
>>
>> There are several noninnumerates here, one or more of whom may comment
>> upon your statistics: I may myself.
>>
>> In the meantime, if you wish to affect my involuntary removal from this
>> list, I suggest that you apply to the owner of the list, and not to me,
>> who - I am not sure if you get this - does not respect you and will not do
>> what you want me to do.
>>
>> Do you have any questions?
>>
>> .
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>>> You are an unpleasant aspect of this list that most of us are just putting
>>> up with. I wish you would refrain from personal insults or intentionally
>>> enigmatic digressions. We'd all be better off.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:47 PM, <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> And a society that is physically deteriorating due to climate change,
>>>> that
>>>> is also in the middle of a huge war, tends not support sports such as
>>>> recreational mountain climbing.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you always presume, Stockhoff?
>>>>
>>>> Don't you ever know?
>>>>
>>>> Do you believe that folks don't notice you saying nasty things whenever
>>>> I
>>>> ask a question you don't wish to answer?
>>>>
>>>> How stupid are you, exactly?
>>>>
>>>> I keep going back and forth between you and the JW's in my perennial
>>>> urth
>>>> list dumbest monkey test.
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Presumably it was far from where anyone would normally go.
>>>>>
>>>>> António Pedro Marques wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> And isn't Typhon supposed to be *2* thousand years before Severian?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Never mind that Typhon was up there in his mountain all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>> Did
>>>>
>>>>>> no one think of going there?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Stockhoff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 200 autarchs could rule an average of 5 years each over 1000 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>> If
>>>>
>>>>>>> 20 of these autarchs ruled an average of 20 years, the remaining 180
>>>>>>> would each have to rule for about 3+1/3 years to maintain the
>>>>>>>
>>>> average.
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's possible. In such a system, the individuality of each autarch,
>>>>>>>
>>>> all
>>>>
>>>>>>> but the greatest, would be inconsequential and utterly lost. Which
>>>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>>>> exactly what has happened in imperial dynasties. England's monarch,
>>>>>>>
>>>> by
>>>>
>>>>>>> contrast, was much more robust even at its weakest.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If we know only 3 names from the past 1000 years, perhaps that is
>>>>>>>
>>>> why.
>>>>
>>>>>>> If only these 3 ruled for 50 each and the remainder for still only
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> 4 years on average, that makes 200 in total. It's then slightly more
>>>>>>> plausible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But is this important?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/1/2010 1:36 PM, David Stockhoff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some autarchs may have ruled for only a week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's not unusual for popes or kings either. John-Paul I reigned a
>>>>>>>> month, Jane Grey for 9 days, and IIRC the Hawaiian Kamehameha
>>>>>>>>
>>>> dynasty
>>>>
>>>>>>>> ended with the last couple of heirs reigning for less than a day
>>>>>>>> apiece. These rates can't be sustained with anything like
>>>>>>>>
>>>> stability,
>>>>
>>>>>>>> and are more than compensated for by the Victorias and Henrys, who
>>>>>>>> come to the throne young and live on into vigorous old age.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Appian-Severian-Valeria cover a minimum of eight decades, I'd say,
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ymar could easily have been one of the child-Autarchs as well as
>>>>>>>> reigning long enough to be credited with his various deeds and
>>>>>>>> commands, even if he didn't actually do or complete all of them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>> This
>>>>
>>>>>>>> leaves about nine hundred years for all but one of the hundreds the
>>>>>>>> Old Autarch spoke of, surely they can do better than that? In the
>>>>>>>>
>>>> 900
>>>>
>>>>>>>> years following the Norman Conquest there were only 45 English
>>>>>>>> monarchs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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