(urth) Hierogrammates, Briah and Yesod
António Marques
entonio at gmail.com
Thu Aug 12 16:21:04 PDT 2010
DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote:
> I have neither said nor asserted any of those things.
>
> Please don't confuse my posts with Lee's. I like his approach sometimes,
> but we often reach opposite conclusions.
I don't think I'm confusing you, but I was under the impression you
agreed here. If not, what's your view of
1) Who created the Hieorgrammates?
2) What's the 'multiverse structure'?
3) Is Urth Earth?
> Do you have any thoughts at all about why the Hieromakers were
> homologues rather than human beings, outside your interpretation of
> Tzadkiel's speech?
Homologues to Severian's race. My guess is that if *we* work hard
enough, we'll be them. Not a matter of multiple futures; the fact that
we may eventually be them doesn't change that we'll have to have all the
hard work.
As I said, I don't think strong conlusions can be had from the text or
interviews. I have only the other considerations and as I see it the
text kind of agrees with them. Urth just looks like an alternate rather
than the real Earth.
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/12/10, António Marques /<entonio at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: António Marques <entonio at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: (urth) Hierogrammates, Briah and Yesod
> To: "The Urth Mailing List" <urth at lists.urth.net>
> Date: Thursday, August 12, 2010, 4:28 PM
>
> DAVID STOCKHOFF wrote:
> > Right here, giving reasons ...
>
> Which are no more real than their contraries.
>
> > I agree that the homologue interpretation is valid. I don't see any
> > confirming reason for it outside an analysis of Tzadkiel's
> remarks. All
> > there is, is pushing the explanation farther and farther away: well,
> > there's ANOTHER universe with ANOTHER race, and THEY created
> YESOD, and ...
>
> Which actually is said in the text. Of course, the text may mean
> otherwise.
>
> You and Lee seem interested in not having more than two universes,
> Briah and Yesod. Others see little sense in that idea.
>
> Nor do I see where does youse 'Yesod is our universe' fit, unless
> it's a parallel interpretation.
>
> > I think that the homologue interpretation is unlikely and the
> identity
> > interpretation correct for the reasons I have given, and is supported
> > according to the reasons I have given.
> >
> > Imagine a ghost story that ends, "The ghost was ... MYSELF!"
> >
> > Now imagine one that ends, "The ghost was ... some guy I never
> met! Over
> > there ... somewhere."
> >
> > Which one does Wolfe pick, over and over?
>
> This seems to me to fit into the 'I like this architecture better
> than others so it is more likely' category. Certainly you're free to
> think that way, but you'll have to accept it doesn't necessarily
> constitute evidence for anyone else. I, for one, am simply trying to
> make sense of the text, not of what I think the text should or
> aspires to be. The fact that many people don't find your reading
> convincing doesn't preclude it, but indicates that it is neither
> universal nor obvious.
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