(urth) The spiny orange - we used to throw the fruit at each other as kids and call them stink bombs.

[brunians at brunians.org]

I didn't know that. I am actually a very ignorant person.

I would have to modify my statement in light of that knowledge. I have no
doubt that you are correct when you say this,

Some plants that have male and female flowers on seperate stems seem to be
ancient cultivers. These plants tend to be useful for food, drugs, as
material for making tools etc. Good examples include cannabis and osage
orange.

I have to say that while this makes sense to me, I don't expect it to make
sense to everybody. I have some ideas about history and deep history that
are seriously at variance with the versions generally accepted these days,
though (coincidentally or not) they are basically the same as Gene Wolfe's
views on the same subjects. I do not know whether he agrees with my
opinion expressed above: I hope to ask him some time. I suspect that he
does or would.


.



> Then would you mind elaborating on those reasons?  An
> example of such a plant would be helpful.
>
> I'll give an example of why I doubt it: all willows are
> dioecious, and very few have been cultivated.
>
> Jerry Friedman
>
> --- On Tue, 11/3/09, brunians at brunians.org <brunians at brunians.org> wrote:
>> It's not really a claim. I wouldn't
>> call it a claim.
>>
>> I do have reasons why I say it, yes.
>
> I wrote:
>>
>> > Do you have any basis for that extremely strange claim
>> about dioecious plants?  Is there even a single
>> example?
>> >
>> > Jerry Friedman
>> >
>> > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, brunians at brunians.org
>> <brunians at brunians.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: brunians at brunians.org
>> <brunians at brunians.org>
>> >> Pardon, I meant seperate male and
>> >> female plants, not seperate flowers on
>> >> the same stem. .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > These plants with seperate male and female
>> flowers are
>> >> mostly ancient cultivers.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > .
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> The spiny orange of Able's bow.   
>> Wolfe
>> >> has a hand carved walking stick
>> >> >> of osage orange - carved by Joe Mayhew.
>> >> >> Maclura pomifera
>> >> >>>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>> >> >> Osage-orange, Horse-apple or Bois D'Arc
>> even know
>> >> as the Drewedic
>> >> >> Bullochus (Maclura pomifera) is
>> dioeceous
>> >> </wiki/Plant_sexuality>  plant
>> >> >> species, with male and female flowers
>> >> </wiki/Flower>  on different
>> >> >> plants. It is a small deciduous
>> >> </wiki/Deciduous>  tree
>> </wiki/Tree> 
>> >> or
>> >> >> large shrub </wiki/Shrub> ,
>> typically
>> >> growing to 8-15 metres (26-49 ft)
>> >> >> tall. The fruit </wiki/Fruit> , a
>> multiple
>> >> fruit </wiki/Multiple_fruit>
>> >> >> , is roughly spherical, but bumpy, and
>> 7-15 cm in
>> >> diameter, and it is
>> >> >> filled with a sticky white latex
>> >> </wiki/Latex>  sap </wiki/Sap> . In
>> >> >> fall, its color turns a bright
>> yellow-green and it
>> >> has a faint odor
>> >> >> similar to that of oranges
>> >> </wiki/Orange_(fruit)> .[1] <>
>> >> >> The Osage-orange is commonly used as a
>> tree row
>> >> windbreak
>> >> >> </wiki/Windbreak>  in prairie
>> states,
>> >> which gives it one of its
>> >> >> colloquial names, "hedge apple".
>> >> >> The trees acquired the name bois d'arc,
>> or
>> >> "bow-wood", from early French
>> >> >> </wiki/France>  settlers who
>> observed
>> >> the wood being used for war clubs
>> >> >> and bow-making by Native Americans
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> </wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States> .[3]
>> >> <>  Meriwether Lewis
>> >> >> was told that the people of the Osage
>> Nation
>> >> </wiki/Osage_Nation>
>> >> >> "esteem the wood of this tree for the
>> making of
>> >> their bows, that they
>> >> >> travel many hundred miles in quest of
>> it." Many
>> >> modern bowyers assert
>> >> >> the wood of the Osage Orange is superior
>> even to
>> >> English Yew for this
>> >> >> purpose, though this opinion is by no
>> means
>> >> unanimous. The trees are
>> >> >> also known as "bordarch" trees, most
>> likely
>> >> originating from a
>> >> >> corruption of "bois d'arc."
>> >> >>
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