(urth) Gene Wolfe Fans Talk Politics (Again)
James Wynn
crushtv at gmail.com
Tue May 19 15:06:05 PDT 2009
Adam, in "The Devil in a Forest", Wolfe presents the issue moral terms. If
I'm benefiting from a service more than my neighbor, and also paying less
for that service than my neighbor, why is that less shameful than just going
to his door and demanding the money?
Okay. Here are your three options:
>Adam sez:
>Of course, "fund it to the same degree," and "robbing from the rich to
>give to the poor," each themselves admit multiple interpretations.
>One way of "funding it to the same degree" would be to demand a flat
>amount from each citizen.
This is actually is the most fair way. But, that's asking way too much
fairness from a society of Fallen human beings. On the other hand, if the
poor don't like it, I suppose they could move to Mogadishu.
>One way would be to impose the same percentage fee on each citizen,
>regardless of income. This is usually what Libertarians claim to like.
>However, such a plan ignores the (I think fairly important) observation
>that the marginal value of money decreases the more of it you have.
Marginal value decreases for whom? Not to the people who work to earn it.
You're argument divorces the amount of money made from the people who
created it. It assumes that a guy making $25K a year is exactly like the guy
making $250K a year except that one happens to make less. It ignores the
risks the second guy took in capital, time, and effort in order to create
that wealth. It also ignores the fact that the first guy gets far more
BENEFIT from non-essential government services that the second guy. Some
would say the differences therefore balance out so that both should pay the
same rate.
The real reason has nothing to do with marginal values of money. It has to
do with practicality. These services are proposed to get a majority of the
voting public to like them. So you give out benefits to a larger number and
have a smaller number pay the freight. No majority will not vote for 95% of
government services if they are seen as fee-for-service. You probably
wouldn't. David Stackhoff implied that he found the idea increased taxes
appealing because he didn't think he'd pay the bulk of them (or any of
them?).
>Hence a third way would be to impose a tax that causes the same amount of
>inconvenience at all levels of income. This is approximately what
>progressive income taxes attempt to do.
How does a progressive tax provide "the same amount of inconvenience at all
levels of income"? Or do you mean "we'll tax you more if you have more and
we'll do the same to other guy who has more too"? What if we taxed every one
making $35K-$50K at 95% and everyone else at 15%. Is that equally logical?
But we don't just tax based on income either, do we? Because this is
democracy in action. The law-makers cut breaks for certain voting blocks
(home-owners, parents, college students, and retirees) while busting others
(cigarette smokers and people who drive for a living).
> "Robbing from the rich to give to the poor," is simply the same argument
> stood on its head, of course. Does taxation go from "legitimate" to
> "robbery" at a value derived from the absolute dollar value of the tax,
> from a percentage of income across all income ranges, or to a degree of
> inconvenience across all income ranges?
How can I describe a progressive tax? Say five citizens get together to fund
a new well. Hmmm...they could all pay the same amount to dig it, or they
could all pay the same percentage of their wealth, OR....they could vote
that Moe here--who also has a lake on his property so he doesn't need the
well---will pay for half of it because, after all, he can "afford it". How
is that different from a two foxes and a hen voting on what to have for
supper?
J.
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