(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 31
Steven Hall
sghall at comcast.net
Tue May 19 18:20:20 PDT 2009
Thank you, I enjoyed that.
Adam Thornton wrote:
> On May 19, 2009, at 7:17 PM, brunians at brunians.org wrote:
>> Tell us about the money, Dan'l.
>>
>> Where does money come from again?
>
> Hey, I'll take a crack at this one. The short answer is, "Money comes
> from trust."
>
> Money initially comes about because direct barter is *really damn
> inconvenient*, and things like cows aren't particularly fungible and
> tend to lose a lot of their value when divided.
>
> The first thing to try is that you trade a big, heavy, hairy, smelly cow
> for a few ounces of something that is portable, doesn't spoil, and is in
> short supply, like gold. Which is great, as long as someone else wants
> gold about as bad as you wanted gold for your cow.
>
> But then you have the problem that unscrupulous bastards will start
> adulterating the rare, precious commodity with something more plentiful,
> so your two ounces of gold turn out to be gold mixed with some amount of
> lead or something.
>
> Now, it's tough to detect debased currency. Ways to assay it turn out
> to be inconvenient, expensive, and/or processes that require specific,
> skilled knowledge. And obviously you can't just trust that the thing
> someone just handed you is in fact the proper amount of the precious
> commodity he says it is, because there's a huge incentive for him to cheat.
>
> So then states get into the act. They declare that they have a monopoly
> on money, and they make coinage, and they do so using tools that are
> fairly expensive and inconvenient to duplicate, and they do things like
> mill the edges so it's pretty evident if a coin has been shaved. And
> then they back up their monopoly on the monetary supply with the threat
> of awful things happening to you if you try to compete, either by
> starting your own competing currency or adulterating their currency.
> What do the people using the currency get out of this? Why, they get
> the state's assurance that the money has however much precious material
> in it, and that it is therefore guaranteed to be good for something.
>
> Of course, governments being what they are, THOSE fuckers debase the
> currency and cut it with nickel or whatever. But the funny thing is, it
> turns out that if everyone just keeps on acting as if the money *were*
> worth what it's supposed to be worth, things continue running OK. This
> is crucial.
>
> So, after a while, there becomes a need for a couple more refinements:
> 1) it's really tough to carry around six thousand pounds of gold
> coin--if you could even find it--if you want to build a new castle, or
> put together an army, or something. So then you get state-issued
> banknotes, which you CAN redeem for some amount of precious-metal (or
> agreed-upon-it's-just-as-good-as-silver-no-really) coin. You also get
> merchants agreeing to extend each other credit, which doesn't cut into
> the state currency monopoly, because the credit isn't actually converted
> to coin until it's redeemed.
>
> And things go on in this way for a while, until governments realize,
> "well, crap, there's practically nothing of value in this coinage
> anyway...let's just go off the gold standard, shall we?" And at that
> point, money is money *BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS SO*, and secondarily
> (but still importantly) because the government has the implicit threat
> of violence to back it up if you say, "no, that's not really 1/200th of
> a cow, that's just a piece of paper with some green ink on it."
>
> And even this works OK for a while, until so much money has been made up
> in notional trades and the extension of notional credit that when
> someone tries to call in a debt everyone stands around looking
> embarrassed and then eventually admits that there isn't any real value
> underpinning anything. And of course then no one trusts anyone anymore,
> money isn't worth anything, and those people who have fertile land and
> weapons to defend it look pretty smart.
>
> And then you have:
>
> http://www.dilbert.com/2009-05-10/
>
> And that, boys and girls, is how we got here today.
>
> More questions?
>
> Adam
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