(urth) Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16

brunians at brunians.org brunians at brunians.org
Tue May 19 17:36:56 PDT 2009


Jackpot!

*pulls up chair and listens*




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> On Tuesday 19 May 2009 09:51:30 David Stockhoff wrote:
>> Daniel, you really don't know how things work, do you?
>
> I've managed to stay alive for over forty years, served twenty years and
> then
> retired from the armed forces, traveled to over thirty foreign countries,
> raised three kids, am helping to raise ten grandkids, and I've tried damn
> near
> anything you care to mention at least once, twice if I liked it.  I think
> I've
> got a pretty good clue how things work.  Is there something you need some
> advice on?
>
>> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 18 May 2009
>> 18:05:22 -0400 From: Daniel D Jones <ddjones at riddlemaster.org> Subject:
>> Re: (urth) Urth Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16 To: The Urth Mailing List
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>> charset="iso-8859-1" On Monday 18 May 2009 17:29:58 David Stockhoff
>> wrote:
>> > > And finally, I agree with your quoted description of socialism. But
>> it
>> > > clearly has nothing to do with robbing anyone. Governments
>> redistribute
>> > > wealth all the time.
>>
>> Do you think that because it's done under the blessing of governmental
>> authority it's any less a taking by force than were it the act of a
>> highwayman?  And the assertion that "it's done all the time" is quite
>> orthogonal to the issue of whether or not it's justified.
>>
>> > > Did you know that usury, which has been illegal since
>> > > the Byzantine emperors, is now legal in the US? It's called "payday
>> > > loans." They are illegal for a reason---and the government that can
>> > > create them and make them legal, thus imposing and enforcing them on
>> > > the poor, can reverse that to create a more just system.
>> Incrementally
>> > > speaking, that's socialism.
>>
>> What sort of doublespeak is this?  In what way did the government create
>> them? In what way is the government imposing or enforcing them on the
>> poor?
>>  Are there government agents going out into neighborhoods forcing people
>> to
>> take payday loans?
>>
>>
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